Welcome to TravelForumz.com!
FAQFAQ   SearchSearch      ProfileProfile    Private MessagesPrivate Messages   Log inLog in

BA crash landing at Heathrow

 
   Trip Advisor (Home) -> UK -> UK Air RSS
Next:  Main street to walk in your city?  
Author Message
jamessan

External


Since: Jan 27, 2008
Posts: 1



(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:43 am
Post subject: BA crash landing at Heathrow
Archived from groups: alt>travel>uk>air (more info?)

Just curious does anyone know what happened to the flight coming in to
land immediately behind this one. Did they have to abort their
landing or where they too late and land anyway.

 >> Stay informed about: BA crash landing at Heathrow 
Back to top
Login to vote
roland

External


Since: Sep 18, 2003
Posts: 1710



(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:55 am
Post subject: Re: BA crash landing at Heathrow [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In message
<6f03ce02-83e6-4ec8-b9cc-39b21050f38f DeleteThis @y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, at
00:43:27 on Sun, 27 Jan 2008, jamessan DeleteThis @hotmail.co.uk remarked:
>Just curious does anyone know what happened to the flight coming in to
>land immediately behind this one. Did they have to abort their
>landing or where they too late and land anyway.

They'd have to abort for all kinds of reasons, not least of which would
be allowing free access to the wreck site by the emergency services.

Widening the question slightly, were any inbound aircraft diverted, or
did they stack up and cope on the other runway (having cancelled all
takeoffs I suppose).
--
Roland Perry

 >> Stay informed about: BA crash landing at Heathrow 
Back to top
Login to vote
Graculus

External


Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posts: 22



(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:16 am
Post subject: Re: BA crash landing at Heathrow [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Roland Perry" <roland RemoveThis @perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:wCK93qDPcEnHFAoC@perry.co.uk...
> In message
> <6f03ce02-83e6-4ec8-b9cc-39b21050f38f RemoveThis @y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, at
> 00:43:27 on Sun, 27 Jan 2008, jamessan RemoveThis @hotmail.co.uk remarked:
>>Just curious does anyone know what happened to the flight coming in to
>>land immediately behind this one. Did they have to abort their
>>landing or where they too late and land anyway.
>
> They'd have to abort for all kinds of reasons, not least of which would be
> allowing free access to the wreck site by the emergency services.
>
> Widening the question slightly, were any inbound aircraft diverted, or did
> they stack up and cope on the other runway (having cancelled all takeoffs
> I suppose).

Some were diverted. Both runways were closed for a while. This was because
all the emergency vehicles were committed to the crashed 777, so there was
no emergency cover left to be able to operate the other runway.
 >> Stay informed about: BA crash landing at Heathrow 
Back to top
Login to vote
roland

External


Since: Sep 18, 2003
Posts: 1710



(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:02 am
Post subject: Re: BA crash landing at Heathrow [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In message <6030fdF1labpdU1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>, at 09:16:56 on Sun, 27
Jan 2008, Graculus <ReplaceWithMyMoniker DeleteThis @hotmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Widening the question slightly, were any inbound aircraft diverted,
>>or did they stack up and cope on the other runway (having cancelled
>>all takeoffs I suppose).
>
>Some were diverted. Both runways were closed for a while. This was
>because all the emergency vehicles were committed to the crashed 777,
>so there was no emergency cover left to be able to operate the other
>runway.

As yes, I do remember reading that now you mention it.
--
Roland Perry
 >> Stay informed about: BA crash landing at Heathrow 
Back to top
Login to vote
"tim

External


Since: Nov 09, 2007
Posts: 164



(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:30 pm
Post subject: Re: BA crash landing at Heathrow [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<jamessan RemoveThis @hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6f03ce02-83e6-4ec8-b9cc-39b21050f38f@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Just curious does anyone know what happened to the flight coming in to
> land immediately behind this one. Did they have to abort their
> landing or where they too late and land anyway.

If you haven't got time to abort you are flying too close. Having been on a
"go around" it is obvious that the pilot gets zero notice of this. Of
course the following flights aborted

tim
 >> Stay informed about: BA crash landing at Heathrow 
Back to top
Login to vote
"tim

External


Since: Nov 09, 2007
Posts: 164



(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:31 pm
Post subject: Re: BA crash landing at Heathrow [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Roland Perry" <roland.TakeThisOut@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:wCK93qDPcEnHFAoC@perry.co.uk...
> In message
> <6f03ce02-83e6-4ec8-b9cc-39b21050f38f.TakeThisOut@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, at
> 00:43:27 on Sun, 27 Jan 2008, jamessan.TakeThisOut@hotmail.co.uk remarked:
>>Just curious does anyone know what happened to the flight coming in to
>>land immediately behind this one. Did they have to abort their
>>landing or where they too late and land anyway.
>
> They'd have to abort for all kinds of reasons, not least of which would be
> allowing free access to the wreck site by the emergency services.
>
> Widening the question slightly, were any inbound aircraft diverted, or did
> they stack up and cope on the other runway (having cancelled all takeoffs
> I suppose).

There were some figues quoted on the day. Dozens of flights were diverted
to LWG/STN/LTN. One got diverted to Manston (for some strange reason).

tim
 >> Stay informed about: BA crash landing at Heathrow 
Back to top
Login to vote
Graham Harrison

External


Since: May 20, 2007
Posts: 100



(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:23 pm
Post subject: Re: BA crash landing at Heathrow [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<snip> Having been on a "go around" it is obvious that the pilot gets zero
notice of this. Of course the following flights aborted
<snip/>

Actually, that's not totally true (but I am nitpicking). I rode the
cockpit of a BA 757 a good few years ago onto 27R at LHR. As we turned
finals over Westminster a Virgin A340 crossed our flight path coming from
right to left and then lined up on 27L. Unfortunately he then had to
switch to 27R which then left us with very short separation. Our pilot
immediately reduced speed to minimum approach (announcing that over the
radio had the guy behind us saying he couldn't fly that slow!). It was
therefore pretty obvious that a go-around was a distinct possibility and the
pilots briefed for both the possibility of a landing and a go around. As
we continued the approach the 340 slowly pulled away from us (but only a
little). We finally got clearance to land as we crossed the car park just
before the perimeter track so, from that point of view, we got zero notice
despite having been preparing for the possibility for some minutes. So
while the decision in this case was last minute they had more than zero
notice of the possibility.

(After landing we used full autobrake and got off the runway in time for the
following aircraft to land however, that led to a brake overheat warning
which had them digging in the handbook to determine what to do next).

And, if you think about it, the same scenario that I've described is almost
certainly true for fog landings. The possibility that a go around will
occur is something that has to be allowed for. As an example, I went into
AMS in another BA 757. We broke cloud at 200ft - afterwards I asked what
the 8 on one of the VDUs had been and I was told that if they hadn't told
the system to land by 8 ft above ground the system would have overshot
automatically.

In the case of the BA 777 the immediately following aircraft would have had
minimal notice but others further back on the approarch would have had
increasing amounts of notice. I wonder if everyone who had already left
the stack completed the approach and then overshot or if they were vectored
away ?
 >> Stay informed about: BA crash landing at Heathrow 
Back to top
Login to vote
Display posts from previous:   
   Trip Advisor (Home) -> UK -> UK Air All times are: Pacific Time (US & Canada) (change)
Page 1 of 1

 
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



[ Contact us | Terms of Service/Privacy Policy ]