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lansbury

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:19 pm
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(01-09) 10:13 PST NEW YORK, (AP) -- 
 
British Airways plans to launch a new airline in June that will offer 
direct service between New York and the European mainland, catering mainly 
to business and affluent leisure travelers. 
 
The new carrier, named "OpenSkies," will begin with service to either 
Brussels or Paris using a single Boeing 757, British Airways said 
Wednesday. The carrier plans to add a second aircraft to the other 
destination later this year, and four more aircraft by the end of 2009. 
 
The airline is aimed largely at business and well-heeled leisure 
travelers. Only 30 of each plane's expected 82 seats — five rows in 
the back of the plane — will be economy class. The rest will be 
almost evenly split between business class and a new mid-priced level 
known as "premium economy." 
 
"We don't intend to be a mass-market type of vehicle," said Dale Moss, 
British Airways' former director of worldwide sales, who will serve as the 
new venture's managing director. "We're a very special point-to-point 
application." 
 
OpenSkies will draw on elements of British Airways' existing business, 
from the Union Jack-themed logo on the planes' tails to the carrier's 
sales force and frequent flier plan. It will also be able to take 
advantage of its parent's fuel hedges, which will allow the new carrier to 
lock in advantageous fuel prices. 
 
The new airline takes its name from the Open Skies agreement hammered out 
between the U.S. and the European Union last spring. The agreement allows 
airlines to fly from anywhere in the Europe Union to the United States and 
vice versa ; something they couldn't do in the past. 
 
By launching a new carrier flying directly from the continent, British 
Airways will be taking on not just established U.S. carriers such as UAL 
Corp.'s United Airlines and AMR Corp.'s American Airlines, but also 
European airlines such as Lufthansa and Air France-KLM. On the Paris 
route, it will also compete against L'Avion, a new all-business class 
carrier. 
 
"Our competition will be formidable," Moss said. 
 
OpenSkies is meant to complement British Airways' overall business, not 
compete against it, Moss said. 
 
But as a separate brand, OpenSkies will be able to serve as a "research 
and development lab" for its parent that can try out new ideas and 
implement ones that work quickly across its small fleet. It will also 
operate under a separate cost structure, and possibly separate labor 
contracts, from British Airways. 
 
"We've got to use the entrepreneurial spirit of a small company &; 
the hungriness, and a little bit of the fear ; that says 'hey 
listen, if we're not successful, we don't exist,'" Moss said. 
 
Moss said the airline is working on "some great ideas for pricing, not 
just for promotional fares to start," but was unable to discuss ticketing 
options without receiving approval from U.S. and U.K. regulators. 
 
Jonathan Wallden, finance director for OpenSkies, said the airline expec= 
ts 
to confirm the details of the inaugural route by the middle of next month. 
The carrier hopes to operate out of New York's John F. Kennedy 
International airport, but may be forced to shift its operations across 
the Hudson River to Newark Liberty International. 
 
Other destinations on both sides of the Atlantic could be added later. In 
Europe, Moss said OpenSkies is considering flying to Amsterdam, Frankfurt, 
Madrid, Milan, Zurich and Geneva. Additional U.S. destinations could 
include Boston, Washington and Philadelphia, he said. ---------------------= 
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:37 pm
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:19:56 -0800, Lansbury <lansbury.DeleteThis@spamcop.net>
wrote:

> The airline is aimed largely at business and well-heeled leisure 
>travelers. Only 30 of each plane's expected 82 seats — five rows in 
>the back of the plane — will be economy class. The rest will be 
>almost evenly split between business class and a new mid-priced level 
>known as "premium economy." 

Why are they even bothering with Economy seating? If they didn't,
they'd be able to offer a cheaper Premium Economy, as it would only
incur the lowest level of APD, being the lowest class on the plane.

Or is it necessary to have some sardines in "the back of the bus" for
maximum superiority feeling?

Neil

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:31 pm
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"Neil Williams" <wensleydale DeleteThis @pacersplace.org.uk> wrote in message
news:47853e2b.54921774@news.individual.net...
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:19:56 -0800, Lansbury <lansbury DeleteThis @spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The airline is aimed largely at business and well-heeled leisure
>>travelers. Only 30 of each plane's expected 82 seats — five rows in
>>the back of the plane — will be economy class. The rest will be
>>almost evenly split between business class and a new mid-priced level
>>known as "premium economy."
>
> Why are they even bothering with Economy seating? If they didn't,
> they'd be able to offer a cheaper Premium Economy, as it would only
> incur the lowest level of APD, being the lowest class on the plane.
>
> Or is it necessary to have some sardines in "the back of the bus" for
> maximum superiority feeling?
>
> Neil
>
> --
> Neil Williams
> Put my first name before the at to reply.

Well, because the flights never go through teh UK they don't attract APD.

My thought was that the current layout of the planes is such that the back
cabin probably has 30 economy seats so it minimises refit.

What did intrigue me is that one report I saw said the PE would have a pitch
of 52". WTP only has 38 so it's definitely a way of trying things out!
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:07 pm
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Certainly as more new services are announced the open skies agreement does
seemed to have increased competition on routes.

Not sure what that is going to do for service as more seats chase the same
number of passengers, as I not sure that there is the number of new customers
that cut price short haul routes have produced.
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