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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm
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Martin <me RemoveThis @address.invalid> wrote: > http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.html The UK also has a lot of immigrants- I don't know if they report similar problems or not. I'd reckon a bigger danger here is bad native drivers. I was in a taxi for two tedious hours today, and noticed lots of people passing us on the motorway using their phone, which is now quite serious- automatic points on the license. I saw one van driver not only holding the phone but smoking at the same time. I felt quite unsafe... -- () of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again*

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Martin <me.RemoveThis@address.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:40:04 +0000, d4g4h4.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ > chancellor ()) wrote: > > >Martin <me.RemoveThis@address.invalid> wrote: > > > >> > >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.h > >tml > > > >The UK also has a lot of immigrants- I don't know if they report similar > >problems or not. I'd reckon a bigger danger here is bad native drivers. > >I was in a taxi for two tedious hours today, and noticed lots of people > >passing us on the motorway using their phone, which is now quite > >serious- automatic points on the license. I saw one van driver not only > >holding the phone but smoking at the same time. I felt quite unsafe... > > I liked "I know when I go to America it takes me five or six days to adjust." Yes, a bit silly. I'm interested to know to what extent this kind of thing does affect road accidents. That said, in the abstract it does sort of make sense that all countries drive on the same side, and have the steering wheel on the same side- but that's not reality. -- () of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

David Horne, _the_ chancellor () wrote: > Martin <me.TakeThisOut@address.invalid> wrote: > >> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:40:04 +0000, d4g4h4.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ >> chancellor ()) wrote: >> >>> Martin <me.TakeThisOut@address.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.h >>> tml >>> >>> The UK also has a lot of immigrants- I don't know if they report similar >>> problems or not. I'd reckon a bigger danger here is bad native drivers. >>> I was in a taxi for two tedious hours today, and noticed lots of people >>> passing us on the motorway using their phone, which is now quite >>> serious- automatic points on the license. I saw one van driver not only >>> holding the phone but smoking at the same time. I felt quite unsafe... >> I liked "I know when I go to America it takes me five or six days to adjust." > > Yes, a bit silly. I'm interested to know to what extent this kind of > thing does affect road accidents. That said, in the abstract it does > sort of make sense that all countries drive on the same side, and have > the steering wheel on the same side- but that's not reality. > Well, I went roaring past Dublin Castle on the wrong side of the road early on my third day in Ireland. Luckily it was Sunday and the lone pedestrian waved me down. The worst of it was that I had sucessfully gotten from the airport to my hotel near Trinity College in Friday PM rush hour. I was very proud since it was my first time driving on the left John Kane, Kingston ON Canada >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:34:27 +0100, Martin <me RemoveThis @address.invalid> wrote: >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.html Considering their appalling road safety laws and statistics now, and the quality of the roads, it's possible no-one would notice the difference. You can still drive all your life over there without graduating from "L". Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:49:42 +0000, d4g4h4.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor ()) wrote: >Martin <me.TakeThisOut@address.invalid> wrote: > >> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:40:04 +0000, d4g4h4.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ >> chancellor ()) wrote: >> >> >Martin <me.TakeThisOut@address.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.h >> >tml >> > >> >The UK also has a lot of immigrants- I don't know if they report similar >> >problems or not. I'd reckon a bigger danger here is bad native drivers. >> >I was in a taxi for two tedious hours today, and noticed lots of people >> >passing us on the motorway using their phone, which is now quite >> >serious- automatic points on the license. I saw one van driver not only >> >holding the phone but smoking at the same time. I felt quite unsafe... >> >> I liked "I know when I go to America it takes me five or six days to adjust." > >Yes, a bit silly. I'm interested to know to what extent this kind of >thing does affect road accidents. That said, in the abstract it does >sort of make sense that all countries drive on the same side, and have >the steering wheel on the same side- but that's not reality. The answer is obvious. All those countries driving on the right should switch to the left:-) No need to convert the cars in the short term. Take a trip to Charlotte Amalie in the USVI; they drive on the left and get all their vehicles from the USA. Sitting in the front passenger seat of a cab can be a real adrenalin rush. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Alan S <nothere.TakeThisOut@there.com> wrote: > On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:34:27 +0100, Martin > <me.TakeThisOut@address.invalid> wrote: > > >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.html > > Considering their appalling road safety laws and statistics > now, Ireland isn't terrible- plenty of European countries with worse stats. I'm surprised to see that NL is among the best in terms of statistics, given what Martin says! (UK is pretty good too.) -- () of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again*

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:12:16 -0500, John Kane <jrkrideau RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote: >David Horne, _the_ chancellor () wrote: >> Martin <me RemoveThis @address.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:40:04 +0000, d4g4h4 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ >>> chancellor ()) wrote: >>> >>>> Martin <me RemoveThis @address.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.h >>>> tml >>>> >>>> The UK also has a lot of immigrants- I don't know if they report similar >>>> problems or not. I'd reckon a bigger danger here is bad native drivers. >>>> I was in a taxi for two tedious hours today, and noticed lots of people >>>> passing us on the motorway using their phone, which is now quite >>>> serious- automatic points on the license. I saw one van driver not only >>>> holding the phone but smoking at the same time. I felt quite unsafe... >>> I liked "I know when I go to America it takes me five or six days to adjust." >> >> Yes, a bit silly. I'm interested to know to what extent this kind of >> thing does affect road accidents. That said, in the abstract it does >> sort of make sense that all countries drive on the same side, and have >> the steering wheel on the same side- but that's not reality. >> >Well, I went roaring past Dublin Castle on the wrong side of the road >early on my third day in Ireland. Luckily it was Sunday and the lone >pedestrian waved me down. This is when you make the wrong side of the road mistake, when there is no traffic. I have done the same thing on an empty road when first setting out, no problems if there is already some traffic, just join in with them. >The worst of it was that I had sucessfully >gotten from the airport to my hotel near Trinity College in Friday PM >rush hour. I was very proud since it was my first time driving on the left >John Kane, Kingston ON Canada >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:52:23 -0800, irwell <hook.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:12:16 -0500, John Kane <jrkrideau.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Well, I went roaring past Dublin Castle on the wrong side of the road >>early on my third day in Ireland. Luckily it was Sunday and the lone >>pedestrian waved me down. > >This is when you make the wrong side of the road mistake, >when there is no traffic. I have done the same thing on an >empty road when first setting out, no problems if there is >already some traffic, just join in with them. Well, sort of. The mistake is only made when you start. Once on the correct side one stays on the correct side. So the problem is starting when no traffic, or pulling out of a parking lot, where there often is no traffic until you get to the road. Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom). >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Alan S <nothere.RemoveThis@there.com> wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:49:42 +0000, d4g4h4.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (David > Horne, _the_ chancellor ()) wrote: > > >Martin <me.RemoveThis@address.invalid> wrote: [] > >> I liked "I know when I go to America it takes me five or six days to > >adjust." > > > >Yes, a bit silly. I'm interested to know to what extent this kind of > >thing does affect road accidents. That said, in the abstract it does > >sort of make sense that all countries drive on the same side, and have > >the steering wheel on the same side- but that's not reality. > > The answer is obvious. All those countries driving on the > right should switch to the left:-) Well, it is the right side! Actually, I learned to drive in the US, but still.. -- () of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:55:03 +0000, d4g4h4 DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor ()) wrote: >Alan S <nothere DeleteThis @there.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:34:27 +0100, Martin >> <me DeleteThis @address.invalid> wrote: >> >> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080208/tod-uk-ireland-driving-b7e5c6f_1.html >> >> Considering their appalling road safety laws and statistics >> now, > >Ireland isn't terrible- plenty of European countries with worse stats. >I'm surprised to see that NL is among the best in terms of statistics, >given what Martin says! (UK is pretty good too.) I must admit I was comparing them to home, not Europe. Next to Naples it was the most "interesting" driving experience of my travels. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again*

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:42:25 -0500, Don Wiss <donwiss RemoveThis @no_spam.com> wrote: >> >>This is when you make the wrong side of the road mistake, >>when there is no traffic. I have done the same thing on an >>empty road when first setting out, no problems if there is >>already some traffic, just join in with them. > >Well, sort of. The mistake is only made when you start. Once on the correct >side one stays on the correct side. So the problem is starting when no >traffic, or pulling out of a parking lot, where there often is no traffic >until you get to the road. I found that my most dangerous moments for confusion occurred when turning left at a crossroads. It was much too easy to smoothly turn and continue on the left side of the road...quickly corrected and never hit anything:-) Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Back to Ireland again [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:32:49 +1100, Alan S <nothere RemoveThis @there.com> wrote: >On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:42:25 -0500, Don Wiss ><donwiss RemoveThis @no_spam.com> wrote: > >>> >>>This is when you make the wrong side of the road mistake, >>>when there is no traffic. I have done the same thing on an >>>empty road when first setting out, no problems if there is >>>already some traffic, just join in with them. >> >>Well, sort of. The mistake is only made when you start. Once on the correct >>side one stays on the correct side. So the problem is starting when no >>traffic, or pulling out of a parking lot, where there often is no traffic >>until you get to the road. > >I found that my most dangerous moments for confusion >occurred when turning left at a crossroads. It was much too >easy to smoothly turn and continue on the left side of the >road...quickly corrected and never hit anything:-) My biggest embarrassment was returning a car to La Guardia airport, went into Central Park on the one way road in the wrong direction. Lots of hollering from joggers until we could safely make a U-turn. >> Stay informed about: Back to Ireland again

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