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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:36 pm
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http://www.cybercruises.com/cruisenews.htm

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 >http://www.cybercruises.com/cruisenews.htm
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 >Aloha

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:13 am
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Hi CC,

Although this is not generally the going rate ... still it's not bad for
someone who carries no inventory and has relatively little overhead.
Twenty percent is quite a respectable figure.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:31 am
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On 02/02/2004 1:04 AM Mark O. Polo, made frenium gestures and then wrote:

 >Hi CC,
 >
 >Although this is not generally the going rate ... still it's not bad for
 >someone who carries no inventory and has relatively little overhead.
 >Twenty percent is quite a respectable figure.
 >
 >Aloha
 >
 >
 >
It has always been my understanding that TA commission is not collected
from clients but from hotels, airlines, and cruise lines ect. So, I
don't see what the concern should be. This 20% commission is a bonus
offered by Deilmann Cruises for a limited time and only after an agent
has completed the Niche Cruise Marketing Alliance Certificate Program.
As with any industry it's an incentive that comes with prerequisites.


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:06 pm
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:04:43 -1000 (HST), AlohaNet.RemoveThis@webtv.net (Mark O.
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 >Although this is not generally the going rate ... still it's not bad for
 >someone who carries no inventory and has relatively little overhead.

Hi Mark,

The last several surveys that I have seen indicate that the average
travel agent makes $25,000 a year. In Santa Barbara, the mean price
of a home is $880,000. None of us average travel agents will be able
to afford to liver here pretty soon. <;+)

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:44 pm
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Hi Lighthouse Ray,

You wrote:

The last several surveys that I have seen indicate that the average
travel agent makes $25,000 a year. In Santa Barbara, the mean price of a
home is $880,000. None of us average travel agents will be able to
afford to liver here pretty soon. <;+)

I similarly live in a high rent district and can empathize but I suspect
you do better than the average industry income producer and you can
always be comfited knowing that you will get a handsome return when you
sell your lighthouse home.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:18 pm
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:31:57 GMT, Brian K <brianxt1951.RemoveThis@earthlink.net>
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 >It has always been my understanding that TA commission is not collected
 >from clients...

We pay the commissions inside of the rate.



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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:20 pm
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:04:43 -1000 (HST), AlohaNet.TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Mark O.
Polo) wrote:

 >Hi CC,
 >
 >Although this is not generally the going rate ... still it's not bad for
 >someone who carries no inventory and has relatively little overhead.
 >Twenty percent is quite a respectable figure.
 >
 >Aloha

Yes, quite considering 10 -16% is the norm...that is for TA's who
don't fudge up port charges, rates etc.


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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:55 pm
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 >It has always been my understanding that TA commission is not collected
 >from clients but from hotels, airlines, and cruise lines ect. So, I
 >don't see what the concern should be. This 20% commission is a bonus
 >offered by Deilmann Cruises for a limited time and only after



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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:07 pm
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:44:07 -1000 (HST), AlohaNet RemoveThis @webtv.net (Mark O.
Polo) wrote:

 >Hi Lighthouse Ray,
 >
 >You wrote:
 >
 >The last several surveys that I have seen indicate that the average
 >travel agent makes $25,000 a year. In Santa Barbara, the mean price of a
 >home is $880,000. None of us average travel agents will be able to
 >afford to liver here pretty soon. <;+)
 >
 >I similarly live in a high rent district and can empathize but I suspect
 >you do better than the average industry income producer and you can
 >always be comfited knowing that you will get a handsome return when you
 >sell your lighthouse home.

His advertising costs are practically zero.

He has RTC.


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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:19 pm
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On 02 Feb 2004 14:55:38 GMT, jleary256 DeleteThis @aol.com (JLeary256) wrote
something wonderfully witty:

  >>It has always been my understanding that TA commission is not collected
  >>from clients but from hotels, airlines, and cruise lines ect. So, I
  >>don't see what the concern should be. This 20% commission is a bonus
  >>offered by Deilmann Cruises for a limited time and only after
 >
 >
 >
 >WHERE do you think the money comes from???? Certainly it is the consumer. Smile
 >
Of course it is the end consumer. There is no magic source of money
that simply pays people. The exact same thing holds true for taxes.
Any business that makes a product or supplies a service simply passes
it's tax burden onto the end consumer as a component of
product/service pricing. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
out that businesses do not pay taxes, they collect them.

The same holds true for sales commissions for salesmen. When you buy
a car and the salesman gets a slice it is you paying it not the
dealership. When a products sales force sells a product to a retailer
it is the end consumer that eventually pays that commission. The
final all-in freight on all products and services is paid for by the
final end consumer of said product or service.

The original issue of whether a commission of 20% is a fair price on a
cruise is more then likely the true issue. On a cruise costing
$1000pp that is a commission of $200. Not all that bad of a deal on
the face of it. However, remember that to be able to make a miserly
30K a year that's 150 sales with absolutely no overhead what's so
ever. More then likely the average agent working the traditional 260
days a year would have to average at least one booking a day just to
fund overhead and make that 30K salary. Doesn't seem like an easy
living to me. More then likely that is why so many agents are women
doing it as a second income stream.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:45 pm
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:19:25 -0500, ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof RemoveThis @Zappa.net>
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 >The original issue of whether a commission of 20% is a fair price on a
 >cruise is more then likely the true issue. On a cruise costing
 >$1000pp that is a commission of $200. Not all that bad of a deal on
 >the face of it. However, remember that to be able to make a miserly
 >30K a year that's 150 sales with absolutely no overhead what's so
 >ever. More then likely the average agent working the traditional 260
 >days a year would have to average at least one booking a day just to
 >fund overhead and make that 30K salary. Doesn't seem like an easy
 >living to me. More then likely that is why so many agents are women
 >doing it as a second income stream.

Or to get free FAMs, discounts on cruises, perks, TA goodies etc.

The "trick" is either own the agency or specialize in group cruises.
Or both.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................


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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:46 pm
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Reading these posts has been interesting and I wovld like to offer
some comments from someone who owns an agency, reads this newsgrovp
and does not make an effort in advertising grovp crvises, special
crvises, etc vnder my signatvre. And I do not post very often at all.
Ovr bvsiness employs some 30 people with sales in the range of 30
million. We sell only tovrs and crvises.

Several years ago there were some 41,000 approved ARC (Airline
Reporting Corporation) retail travel agencies, today there are 25,620.
That's a decline of some 37% or so.

One does not exactly have to be a Harvard MBA to vnderstand that the
market is not expanding for travel agency locations. Brick and mortar
agency's are being replaced by Travelocity, Orbitz, Expedia, and most
all crvise lines that have online booking engines. They are also being
replaced by agencys that take fvll advantage of technology. Technology
that allows vs to discovnt and be competitive online with those mega
travel sites.

An important fact. Crvise lines do not discovnt. Crvise lines sell at
a retail price. Travel agents do discovnt retail prices of crvise
lines.

To not only svrvive bvt to prosper in todays crvise marketplace an
agency has to make a significant investment in the development of
crvise booking technology. Bvt it does not stop there. Selling a
crvise at retail prices means more agencys will go ovt of bvsiness as
the majority of crvises sold today are at a discovnt and below the
price received directly from a travel agent.

Having yovr own crvise booking engine sovnds great. With todays cost
of palcement on search engines the entry cost for a new entrant rvns
into a significant financial investment.

One can make an argvment that the distribvtion system throvgh travel
agents also is a vehicle to keep prices lower even thovgh they receive
commissions which may average some 17-18% for higher volvme agencies.
Withovt the agency system and the competition in brings some 3 or 4
crvise lines wovld be able to control pricing for this indvstry. Plvs
onboard amenities no dovbt wovld decline.

One can make the argvment that airlines cvt commissions to ZERO.
That's trve. However vnlike crvise lines the airlines have millions of
seats to fill on a daily basis. And don't forget, meals are a thing of
the past, magazines on planes are gone, on-time performance has
dropped and service levels at airports has not been all that great. In
short service has diminished in the airline world to that of bvs
service. Or basic transportation. My point is that one can't compare
the crvise commission sitvation to that of the airlines.

Don't get me wrong ovr bvsiness is profitable becavse we carved ovt a
niche on the internet, we discovnt crvises. Perhaps at a rate higher
than other agents wovld like. Other agents specialize in grovps,
revnions and other methods of marketing their bvsiness.

It's taking me a long way to come arovnd and say, anyone who believes
15-18% commissions is the road to financial riches shovld give it a
try and enter the travel bvsiness. We compete every day and a few more
competitors are always welcomed. Anyone can become an independent
contractor or spend a few thovsand opening their own bvsiness.

To those that wish to pvrchase their crvises directly from a crvise
line that's yovr choice. That's what competition is all abovt. Those
of yov who wish to bvy from yovr agent for whatever reason: service,
discovnt or whatever that's yovr choice as well. That's what the free
marketplace is all abovt.

Craig Pavlvs
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:25 am
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 >On a cruise costing
 >$1000pp that is a commission of $200. Not all that bad of a deal on
 >the face of it. However, remember that to be able to make a miserly
 >30K a year that's 150 sales

If you're using an example of $1000p/p and 20% commission you would probably
only need to make 75 "sales" to reach that 30K mark. The vast majority of
cruise sales are double occupancy (the single occupancies and the triple/quad
occupancies probably even out) so the commission per "sale" would be $400 in
this example, not $200.

But the example is flawed. I doubt the average p/p commissionable cruise fare
is $1000 (the 3 and 4 night sailings drag the average way down) and the 20% is
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:46 am
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 >Yes, quite considering 10 -16% is the norm...that is for TA's who
 >don't fudge up port charges, rates etc.

That's tougher to do than you think. Most cruises are paid for by credit card.
The credit card is charged by the cruise line which usually limits the total
amount that can be charged to the actual fare plus port charges (or the
"non-commissionable" charges").

So, if a TA were to try to slap on an extra $50 a head just for the fun of it
the cruise line would refuse to accept the charge. The TA would either have to
charge out the difference on his/her own merchant account or get the $50 from
the client by cash or check. I guess some clients wouldn't question this but I
can't imagine it working too often. But anyone that pays by check/cash can be
vulnerable to this.

The reason the cruise lines have this policy is 1) they don't want to pay their
2% - 3% fee on money they aren't going to keep just to launder the TA's extra
income 2) they want to keep their accounting as simple as possible 3) they
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