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CJB

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Since: May 04, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:03 am
Post subject: DofT Deliberately Witholding Documents re: Heathrow Expansion?
Archived from groups: alt>travel>uk>air, others (more info?)

The DofT's handling of the distribution of documents relating to the
proposed expansion of Heathrow is nothing short of utter
incompentence, or a deliberate policy to make accessing them
difficult.

A minority in the Heathrow area received the Summary by post. However
this only contains the usual lies and deceits and a heavily loaded
(and incomprehensible questionaire). There are no maps in the Summary.

A majority of households in the near Heathrow area (South Hayes,
Longford, Cranford, etc., etc.) received nothing - to say nothing of
the boroughs to be affected by the new flights paths over West, North
and East London and bordering counties.

The FULL proposal document is hundreds of pages long. It does contain
numerous maps albeit misleading and missing many details - but it too
is unavailable, as are the very many technical supplements.

I have just tried to order a copy of the full proposal and technical
supplements online. I clicked on 'Order' and got the following
message:

===

http://195.200.129.17/HeathrowCatalogue/Basket.aspx

There is a problem with this website's security certificate.

The security certificate presented by this website was issued for a
different website's address.

Security certificate problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or
intercept any data you send to the server.

We recommend that you close this webpage and do not continue to this
website.

===

This is appalling and utter incompetence. About as useful as the DofT
Exhibitions - at which the staff haven't a clue about the expansion
proposals anyway.

I WOULD THEREFORE OPINE THAT THE DofT IS DELIBERATELY BLOCKING ACCESS
TO THE CONSULTATION DOCUMENTS. No Government Department can be so
incompetent - ah - but wait a minute hasn't another Department lost
numerous CDs with highly confidential and personal data of over 25
million UK residents?

And in case anyone suggests I can download and print the files - there
are literally tens of files and thousands of pages. No chance.

CJB

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Graham Harrison

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Since: May 20, 2007
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:59 pm
Post subject: Re: DofT Deliberately Witholding Documents re: Heathrow Expansion? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"CJB" <chrisjbrady.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56e1b49c-3904-48cb-afc2-3f36b4bda536@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> The DofT's handling of the distribution of documents relating to the
> proposed expansion of Heathrow is nothing short of utter
> incompentence, or a deliberate policy to make accessing them
> difficult.
>
> A minority in the Heathrow area received the Summary by post. However
> this only contains the usual lies and deceits and a heavily loaded
> (and incomprehensible questionaire). There are no maps in the Summary.
>
> A majority of households in the near Heathrow area (South Hayes,
> Longford, Cranford, etc., etc.) received nothing - to say nothing of
> the boroughs to be affected by the new flights paths over West, North
> and East London and bordering counties.
>
> The FULL proposal document is hundreds of pages long. It does contain
> numerous maps albeit misleading and missing many details - but it too
> is unavailable, as are the very many technical supplements.
>
> I have just tried to order a copy of the full proposal and technical
> supplements online. I clicked on 'Order' and got the following
> message:
>
> ===
>
> http://195.200.129.17/HeathrowCatalogue/Basket.aspx
>
> There is a problem with this website's security certificate.
>
> The security certificate presented by this website was issued for a
> different website's address.
>
> Security certificate problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or
> intercept any data you send to the server.
>
> We recommend that you close this webpage and do not continue to this
> website.
>
> ===
>
> This is appalling and utter incompetence. About as useful as the DofT
> Exhibitions - at which the staff haven't a clue about the expansion
> proposals anyway.
>
> I WOULD THEREFORE OPINE THAT THE DofT IS DELIBERATELY BLOCKING ACCESS
> TO THE CONSULTATION DOCUMENTS. No Government Department can be so
> incompetent - ah - but wait a minute hasn't another Department lost
> numerous CDs with highly confidential and personal data of over 25
> million UK residents?
>
> And in case anyone suggests I can download and print the files - there
> are literally tens of files and thousands of pages. No chance.
>
> C

I'm of the opinion that Government (of whatever type/party) is naturally
incompetent. Are civil servants clever enough to deliberately do the
things you are telling us even if ordered to by their political masters?

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mcgurk1

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Since: Mar 25, 2004
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:50 pm
Post subject: Re: DofT Deliberately Witholding Documents re: Heathrow Expansion? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"CJB" <chrisjbrady DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56e1b49c-3904-48cb-afc2-3f36b4bda536@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
> I have just tried to order a copy of the full proposal and technical
> supplements online
[snip]
> http://195.200.129.17/HeathrowCatalogue/Basket.aspx
>
> There is a problem with this website's security certificate.
[snip]
> This is appalling and utter incompetence. About as useful as the DofT
> Exhibitions - at which the staff haven't a clue about the expansion
> proposals anyway.
>
> I WOULD THEREFORE OPINE THAT THE DofT IS DELIBERATELY BLOCKING ACCESS
> TO THE CONSULTATION DOCUMENTS.
[sniiip]

Yes, I got the same error.
No, they are not blocking access
Yes, they have badly configured their webserver

If you continue anyway - which it's perfectly safe to do, as there is no
attempt to defraud or steal your data, just poor config - you can order the
doc. I have just done so.

There's also a downloadable summary here:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/heathrowconsultation/consulta...ndocume
in multiple languages.

Tell me, did you bother to e-mail the webmaster to alert him to the error?
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