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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:20 pm
Post subject: EU visitors to have fingerprints taken
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Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
U.S. plan did by members of this group.
Tipping... ATM fees... fingerprinting... next? Pay for incoming cell
calls ?
jay
Wed Feb 13, 2008
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From The Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3366326.ece
February 14, 2008
EU visitors to have fingerprints taken
Rory Watson and David Charter
BRUSSELS Every visitor to the European Union would have to provide
fingerprints before being allowed to enter, under plans unveiled
yesterday to clamp down on illegal immigration.
The move to record the arrival and departure of non-EU citizens and to
store the data in a single European database is part of a wider
overhaul of border security. It is aimed at the largest single category
of illegal migrants: people who remain once their visa or permit has
expired.
Franco Frattini, the EU Justice Commissioner, argued that the existence
of the electronic register containing a visitor¹s personal details and
final destination would make it possible to identify overstayers.
The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
rights groups. They fear that it could lead to a ³fortress Europe²
mentality against foreigners and to identity theft if the data were
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:25 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:00 am
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On Feb 13, 9:20 pm, Go Fig <go... RemoveThis @mac.com> wrote:
> Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> U.S. plan did by members of this group.
>
> Tipping... ATM fees... fingerprinting... next? Pay for incoming cell
> calls ?
>
> jay
> Wed Feb 13, 2008
> mailto:go...@mac.com
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> From The Times
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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3366326.ece
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> February 14, 2008
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> EU visitors to have fingerprints taken
>
> Rory Watson and David Charter
>
> BRUSSELS Every visitor to the European Union would have to provide
> fingerprints before being allowed to enter, under plans unveiled
> yesterday to clamp down on illegal immigration.
> The move to record the arrival and departure of non-EU citizens and to
> store the data in a single European database is part of a wider
> overhaul of border security. It is aimed at the largest single category
> of illegal migrants: people who remain once their visa or permit has
> expired.
> Franco Frattini, the EU Justice Commissioner, argued that the existence
> of the electronic register containing a visitor¹s personal details and
> final destination would make it possible to identify overstayers.
> The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
> can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
> rights groups. They fear that it could lead to a ³fortress Europe²
> mentality against foreigners and to identity theft if the data were
> lost or stolen.
All I can say it's about time that the americans go through the same
hell that europeans have to go through to enter the US. Lets see how
they like them apples. I also expect the european border guards to get
as nasty with them as they do with us and ask them 1 million questions
and make them feel that they are being given a huge favour for being
let inside Europe. I also expect the lines to be as long as they are
to enter the US (actually if they were only half as long I would be
satisfied). Lets see how they like to wait standing 4 hours in line
after a 10 hour flight with the very high possibility of being
detained in the border for another 5 hours because somebody with the
same name stole a car in London 10 years ago. It's going to be great.
Payback is always a bitch. >> Stay informed about: EU visitors to have fingerprints taken |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:16 am
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On Feb 14, 4:20 pm, "Bob Fusillo" <rfusi....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> "ttow" <tt....TakeThisOut@yahoo.es> wrote in message
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> news:77e386a8-c8d5-4041-bfa4-a957ede95de3@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 9:20 pm, Go Fig <go....TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote:
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> All I can say it's about time that the americans go through the same
> hell that europeans have to go through to enter the US. Lets see how
> they like them apples. I also expect the european border guards to get
> as nasty with them as they do with us and ask them 1 million questions
> and make them feel that they are being given a huge favour for being
> let inside Europe. I also expect the lines to be as long as they are
> to enter the US (actually if they were only half as long I would be
> satisfied). Lets see how they like to wait standing 4 hours in line
> after a 10 hour flight with the very high possibility of being
> detained in the border for another 5 hours because somebody with the
> same name stole a car in London 10 years ago. It's going to be great.
> Payback is always a bitch.
>
> Where did/do you enter?
That scenario is common, but the rudest and most unpleasant
immigration officials I encountered were at San Francisco, though they
are almost as bad anywhere else.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:20 am
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"ttow" <ttows.DeleteThis@yahoo.es> wrote in message
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On Feb 13, 9:20 pm, Go Fig <go....DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote:
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All I can say it's about time that the americans go through the same
hell that europeans have to go through to enter the US. Lets see how
they like them apples. I also expect the european border guards to get
as nasty with them as they do with us and ask them 1 million questions
and make them feel that they are being given a huge favour for being
let inside Europe. I also expect the lines to be as long as they are
to enter the US (actually if they were only half as long I would be
satisfied). Lets see how they like to wait standing 4 hours in line
after a 10 hour flight with the very high possibility of being
detained in the border for another 5 hours because somebody with the
same name stole a car in London 10 years ago. It's going to be great.
Payback is always a bitch.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:06 pm
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:25:13 -0600, "Pat" <chime.RemoveThis@clock.com> wrote:
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>> The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
>> can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
>> rights groups.
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>It's not a done deal. It's a plan.
It won't worry the Spaniards. They all have their FPs taken when they
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:22 pm
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Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:25:13 -0600, "Pat" <chime RemoveThis @clock.com> wrote:
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> >> The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
> >> can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
> >> rights groups.
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> >It's not a done deal. It's a plan.
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> It won't worry the Spaniards. They all have their FPs taken when they
> reach the age of consent.
Why would it worry them anyway- it's not them who'll have their
fingerprints taken.
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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:33 pm
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"Go Fig" <gofig.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote in message
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> Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> U.S. plan did by members of this group.
More likely it's a form of retaliation against the USA and nobody else will
be fingerprinted 'because of resource issues'
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:33 pm
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William Black <william.black.TakeThisOut@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> "Go Fig" <gofig.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:130220081820348440%gofig@mac.com...
> > Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> > U.S. plan did by members of this group.
>
> More likely it's a form of retaliation against the USA and nobody else will
> be fingerprinted 'because of resource issues'
Isn't that what Brazil did?
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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:39 pm
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Go Fig <gofig DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote:
> Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> U.S. plan did by members of this group.
Well, I don't like it. I'm not sure it will go ahead anyway. I really
can't imagine people on a bus crossing the Slovenian/Croatian border,
with the non-EU citizens getting hauled off and taken into an office for
fingerprinting. It's a ridiculous idea, and won't make anyone safer.
Remember, the 9/11 bombers had legal visas and frankly, it's perfectly
possible for another set of non-US terrorists to enter the country
again. The 7/7 bombers were mostly from across the pennines near where I
live...
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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:39 pm
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On Feb 14, 4:39 pm, d4g....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> Go Fig <go....RemoveThis@mac.com> wrote:
> > Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> > U.S. plan did by members of this group.
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> Well, I don't like it. I'm not sure it will go ahead anyway. I really
> can't imagine people on a bus crossing the Slovenian/Croatian border,
> with the non-EU citizens getting hauled off and taken into an office for
> fingerprinting. It's a ridiculous idea, and won't make anyone safer.
> Remember, the 9/11 bombers had legal visas and frankly, it's perfectly
> possible for another set of non-US terrorists to enter the country
> again. The 7/7 bombers were mostly from across the pennines near where I
> live...
Well I would certainly be in favour of more strict controls on cross-
Pennine movement.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:58 pm
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:25:13 -0600, "Pat" <chime DeleteThis @clock.com> wrote:
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>> The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
>> can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
>> rights groups.
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>It's not a done deal. It's a plan.
>
If its approved it will make Europe just like the USA ... how about
that?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:33 pm
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:33 pm
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"William Black" <william.black.RemoveThis@hotmail.co.uk> kirjoitti
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> "Go Fig" <gofig.RemoveThis@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:130220081820348440%gofig@mac.com...
>> Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
>> U.S. plan did by members of this group.
>
> More likely it's a form of retaliation against the USA and nobody else
> will be fingerprinted 'because of resource issues'
>
Hopefully it has nothing to do with "retaliation" of any sort. If it did so
though, the procedure for proper identification should be re-established
from a scratch: Americans should apply for a tourist visa. The visa is valid
for a single entry and will be good only seven days since the entry stamp.
The core of the application form would be the following question: are you or
have you ever been a member of a National Socialist Party. Or did you ever
intend to join a National Socialist Party. Or do you, by chance know anyone
whom is or has been or has been intended to be a member to a National
Socialist Party. Needless to say that if a poor American tourist draws a
tick on the tiny box beside this question - no visa will be issued.
And knowing a bit about American psyche, tourists from that part of the
world should be subjected to a rigorous search for machine guns, bazookas,
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:33 pm
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"Bob Fusillo" <rfusillo.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "ttow" <ttows.DeleteThis@yahoo.es> wrote in message
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> On Feb 13, 9:20 pm, Go Fig <go....DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote:
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> All I can say it's about time that the americans go through the same
> hell that europeans have to go through to enter the US. Lets see how
> they like them apples. I also expect the european border guards to get
> as nasty with them as they do with us and ask them 1 million questions
> and make them feel that they are being given a huge favour for being
> let inside Europe. I also expect the lines to be as long as they are
> to enter the US (actually if they were only half as long I would be
> satisfied). Lets see how they like to wait standing 4 hours in line
> after a 10 hour flight with the very high possibility of being
> detained in the border for another 5 hours because somebody with the
> same name stole a car in London 10 years ago. It's going to be great.
> Payback is always a bitch.
>
>
> Where did/do you enter?
Yeah, I've never waited close to 4 hours. 1 perhaps.
they are incredibly, and unnecessarily, rude though.
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