EU visitors to have fingerprints taken

Mister B <jeremyrh.geo.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Feb 14, 4:39 pm, d4g....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
> > Go Fig <go....RemoveThis@mac.com> wrote:
> > > Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> > > U.S. plan did by members of this group.
> >
> > Well, I don't like it. I'm not sure it will go ahead anyway. I really
> > can't imagine people on a bus crossing the Slovenian/Croatian border,
> > with the non-EU citizens getting hauled off and taken into an office for
> > fingerprinting. It's a ridiculous idea, and won't make anyone safer.
> > Remember, the 9/11 bombers had legal visas and frankly, it's perfectly
> > possible for another set of non-US terrorists to enter the country
> > again. The 7/7 bombers were mostly from across the pennines near where I
> > live...
>
> Well I would certainly be in favour of more strict controls on cross-
> Pennine movement.

But how would I get to York?

The trainline from Manchester to Leeds via Huddersfield is one of the
prettiest in the area for most of the time.

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Pat <chime.DeleteThis@clock.com> wrote:

> >
> > And knowing a bit about American psyche, tourists from that part of the
> > world should be subjected to a rigorous search for machine guns, bazookas,
> > hand grenades and ammunition.
>
> You have proven many times you know absolutely nothing about the American
> psyche.
> zero, zip, nada, nothing.

You could have trimmed that a little. Maybe the last 8 words?

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"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4 DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
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> tim (not at home) <tims_new_home DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>> "Bob Fusillo" <rfusillo DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> > "ttow" <ttows DeleteThis @yahoo.es> wrote in message
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>> > On Feb 13, 9:20 pm, Go Fig <go... DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> > All I can say it's about time that the americans go through the same
>> > hell that europeans have to go through to enter the US. Lets see how
>> > they like them apples. I also expect the european border guards to get
>> > as nasty with them as they do with us and ask them 1 million questions
>> > and make them feel that they are being given a huge favour for being
>> > let inside Europe. I also expect the lines to be as long as they are
>> > to enter the US (actually if they were only half as long I would be
>> > satisfied). Lets see how they like to wait standing 4 hours in line
>> > after a 10 hour flight with the very high possibility of being
>> > detained in the border for another 5 hours because somebody with the
>> > same name stole a car in London 10 years ago. It's going to be great.
>> > Payback is always a bitch.
>> >
>> >
>> > Where did/do you enter?
>>
>> Yeah, I've never waited close to 4 hours. 1 perhaps.
>
> Yes, one is the maximum IME- it's usually faster. Sometimes I found them
> rude, but not lately, and not since 9/11 as it happens! Indeed, a couple
> of said 'welcome back to the US' recently!
>
But being white,with a UK passport and a "normal" British name facilitates
a lot.
Possibly not so easy if you happens to be from somewhere else ,especially
not from mid-east. Our Swedish national soccer team made a visit to
Costa Rica recently which involved a change of plane in U.S
One member of the team was delayed and interrogated over 3hours and reason
for that was probably that he had an origin from Iran.
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Lennart Petersen <lennart.petersen.DeleteThis@swipnet.se> wrote:

> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1icb9dx.2okgrm1fp8fhjN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> > tim (not at home) <tims_new_home.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> "Bob Fusillo" <rfusillo.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:WoudnW2M3rGgwSnanZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >
> >> > "ttow" <ttows.DeleteThis@yahoo.es> wrote in message
> >> > news:77e386a8-c8d5-4041-bfa4-a957ede95de3@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> > On Feb 13, 9:20 pm, Go Fig <go....DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> > All I can say it's about time that the americans go through the same
> >> > hell that europeans have to go through to enter the US. Lets see how
> >> > they like them apples. I also expect the european border guards to get
> >> > as nasty with them as they do with us and ask them 1 million questions
> >> > and make them feel that they are being given a huge favour for being
> >> > let inside Europe. I also expect the lines to be as long as they are
> >> > to enter the US (actually if they were only half as long I would be
> >> > satisfied). Lets see how they like to wait standing 4 hours in line
> >> > after a 10 hour flight with the very high possibility of being
> >> > detained in the border for another 5 hours because somebody with the
> >> > same name stole a car in London 10 years ago. It's going to be great.
> >> > Payback is always a bitch.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Where did/do you enter?
> >>
> >> Yeah, I've never waited close to 4 hours. 1 perhaps.
> >
> > Yes, one is the maximum IME- it's usually faster. Sometimes I found them
> > rude, but not lately, and not since 9/11 as it happens! Indeed, a couple
> > of said 'welcome back to the US' recently!
> >
> But being white,with a UK passport and a "normal" British name facilitates
> a lot.

I don't deny that, but I presume that most of the people posting thus
far aren't from the middle east...

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:34 -0800, Go Fig <gofig.RemoveThis@mac.com> wrote:

>Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
>U.S. plan did by members of this group.
>
>Tipping... ATM fees... fingerprinting... next? Pay for incoming cell
>calls ?
>
>jay
>Wed Feb 13, 2008
>mailto:gofig@mac.com
>

>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3366326.ece
>
>February 14, 2008
>
>EU visitors to have fingerprints taken
>
>Rory Watson and David Charter
>
>BRUSSELS Every visitor to the European Union would have to provide
>fingerprints before being allowed to enter, under plans unveiled
>yesterday to clamp down on illegal immigration.
>The move to record the arrival and departure of non-EU citizens and to
>store the data in a single European database is part of a wider
>overhaul of border security. It is aimed at the largest single category
>of illegal migrants: people who remain once their visa or permit has
>expired.
>Franco Frattini, the EU Justice Commissioner, argued that the existence
>of the electronic register containing a visitor¹s personal details and
>final destination would make it possible to identify overstayers.
>The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
>can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
>rights groups. They fear that it could lead to a ³fortress Europe²
>mentality against foreigners and to identity theft if the data were
>lost or stolen.

As long as the legislation only applies to loopy right-wing filth like
you, I'd be well pleased.


Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
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On the particular moment of Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:26:55 +0200 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, Markku
Grönroos <kurkku RemoveThis @hassuserveri.fi> put forth:

>Hopefully it has nothing to do with "retaliation" of any sort. If it did so
>though, the procedure for proper identification should be re-established
>from a scratch: Americans should apply for a tourist visa. The visa is valid
>for a single entry and will be good only seven days since the entry stamp.
>The core of the application form would be the following question: are you or
>have you ever been a member of a National Socialist Party. Or did you ever
>intend to join a National Socialist Party. Or do you, by chance know anyone
>whom is or has been or has been intended to be a member to a National
>Socialist Party. Needless to say that if a poor American tourist draws a
>tick on the tiny box beside this question - no visa will be issued.

Your English is fine, but damned if I can follow what you are saying.
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Keith Anderson <keefy.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:34 -0800, Go Fig <gofig.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> >U.S. plan did by members of this group.
[]
> As long as the legislation only applies to loopy right-wing filth like
> you, I'd be well pleased.

I'll have what you're having!

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:09:40 +0100, Martin <me.TakeThisOut@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:00:18 +0000, d4g4h4.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Keith Anderson <keefy.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:34 -0800, Go Fig <gofig.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
>>> >U.S. plan did by members of this group.
>>[]
>>> As long as the legislation only applies to loopy right-wing filth like
>>> you, I'd be well pleased.
>>
>>I'll have what you're having!
>
>A strong smell of vodka carried by the north east wind?

Full marks for hitting the nail on the head! Did a little trip to
Poland and back today, and the Balsam Pomorsky is very good indeed.


Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
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Keith Anderson <keefy.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:09:40 +0100, Martin <me.TakeThisOut@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:00:18 +0000, d4g4h4.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> >chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >
> >>Keith Anderson <keefy.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:34 -0800, Go Fig <gofig.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Hummm... I wonder if this plan will meet with the same scorn that the
> >>> >U.S. plan did by members of this group.
> >>[]
> >>> As long as the legislation only applies to loopy right-wing filth like
> >>> you, I'd be well pleased.
> >>
> >>I'll have what you're having!
> >
> >A strong smell of vodka carried by the north east wind?
>
> Full marks for hitting the nail on the head! Did a little trip to
> Poland and back today, and the Balsam Pomorsky is very good indeed.

I hope it's better than Balsam from Latvia. I bought a bottle of the
stuff last year, and I recently threw it out, having had a couple of
'tastes' of it. Yuck!

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:22:20 +0000, d4g4h4 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:25:13 -0600, "Pat" <chime RemoveThis @clock.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
>> >> can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
>> >> rights groups.
>> >
>> >It's not a done deal. It's a plan.
>>
>> It won't worry the Spaniards. They all have their FPs taken when they
>> reach the age of consent.
>
>Why would it worry them anyway- it's not them who'll have their
>fingerprints taken.

I can't see the original post. What was it about?
Visitors within or from outside the EU?
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Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:22:20 +0000, d4g4h4 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:25:13 -0600, "Pat" <chime RemoveThis @clock.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> The scheme, which must be approved by all 27 EU governments before it
> >> >> can come into force in 2013 as proposed, has been criticised by civil
> >> >> rights groups.
> >> >
> >> >It's not a done deal. It's a plan.
> >>
> >> It won't worry the Spaniards. They all have their FPs taken when they
> >> reach the age of consent.
> >
> >Why would it worry them anyway- it's not them who'll have their
> >fingerprints taken.
>
> I can't see the original post. What was it about?
> Visitors within or from outside the EU?

It's for non-EU (and I presume EEA) citizens entering the EU.

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