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tim (not at home) <tims_new_home.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> "Markku Grönroos" <kurkku.TakeThisOut@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
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> > Today Kosovo will be declared independent.
>
> To change the subject slightly.
>
> Apparently, there are 5 EU countries who do not want to recognise Kosovo,
> because they have their own problem regions that will be encouraged to seek
> independence.
>
> I'm strugglinge to get beyond guessing one (Spain).
>
> Any ideas anyone? I know that GB, has NI (and Scotland) and France has a
> few problems, but I don't think that these have reached the point of voting
> themselve independence. And I'm sure that if the Walloons wanted
> independence, they wouldn't need any encouragement.

The UK and France will certainly recognise Kosovo. I suspect the
countries will be those with links to that area- didn't Greece have
sympathy for the Serbs?

--
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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins
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On the particular moment of Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:03:52 +0100 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, Keith
Anderson <keefy DeleteThis @privacy.net> put forth:

>On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:14:36 -0800 (PST), Forest Gimp
><michaelnewport DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>imagine there's no countries......its ez if u try......
>And the RTE posters
>Would all just curl up and die
>Imagine there's no Mixi
>And Scrunge would say goodbye
>
>ah-ah-ah-ah
>
>You may say I'm a dreamer
>But I'm not the only one
>In the meantime I'll keep travelling
>'Cos it's quite a lot of fun.
>
>Imagine there's no newsgroup
>It isn't hard to do
>No more Marrku Grönross
>Nor Horne nor DFM too
>Imagine there's no GoFig
>Posting loads of right-wing poo
>
>ah-ah-ah-ah
>
>You may say I'm a dreamer
>But I'm not the only one
>In the meantime I'll keep travelling
>'Cos it's quite a lot of fun.

So, so you think you could tell,
Rough Guide from the Green,
Conde Nast from Routard,
Did you complain,
About the delays upon the train,
About the food on the plane,
Or the pickpockets in Spain,

So, do ya think you can spell,
Siena or Sevile?
Budapesht or Prishtina?
Beckerovka in Praga,
Ou un petit peu fois gras,
Or maybe just gave up,
..
..
..

Oh, how I wish you were beer,
Just an amber liquid accompanied by kebab (etc...)
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Martin wrote on Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:10:29 +0100:

M> "Three EU states - Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia - have told
M> other EU governments that they will not recognise Kosovo,
M> says our correspondent." --

It comes of letting third world countries into Europe. Most of
these are like Ukraine, Egypt, Thailand, Malawi, Turkey etc.
which have penalized "defaming the honor of the nation": a
typical third world ploy (otherwise known as telling the truth).
I wonder if the Cyprus gang have such laws? Italy used also to
have such a law but I've not heard mention of it lately.


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
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"Dusty Furtile Morrocan" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
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> On the particular moment of Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:00:42 -0000 in
> relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "William
> Black" <william.black.TakeThisOut@hotmail.co.uk> put forth:
>
>>They're Muslim, banks are against their religion...
>
> Muslim?
>
> They are Albanians, which for some reason aren't part of Albania. As
> such, crime is probably the best earner for them, sadly.

I said that already.

I've been fending people off ever since...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Erick T. Barkhuis wrote:
>
>> William Black:
>>
>>>"Sarah Banick" <sbanick.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:P-CdnYS32NwoxyXanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@comcast.com...
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>>>>"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku.RemoveThis@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>>>>news:laRtj.298091$cH7.25031@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>>>
>>>>>Today Kosovo will be declared independent.
>>>>
>>>>Since Markku brought it up, I'm interested in hearing the European view
>>>>of this.
>>
>>
>>>It's far too small to be economically viable without the drugs trade.
>>
>>
>> Well, Macedonia appears to be surviving, and isn't much larger than
>> Kosovo. The population of both is estimated at about 2 million.
>>
>>
>> BTW, how do Liechtenstein and Luxemburg survive?

Dodgy banking.

>
> Or Monaco?

It doesn't.

It's part of France.

They pretend it isn't for the tourists.

But it is...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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"Martin" <me RemoveThis @address.invalid> wrote in message
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> or Malta?
> or Cyprus

Cyprus didn't.

The Turks got nasty with them some years ago.

Malta sells holidays.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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James Silverton <not.jim.silverton.DeleteThis@verizon.not> wrote:

> Martin wrote on Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:10:29 +0100:
>
> M> "Three EU states - Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia - have told
> M> other EU governments that they will not recognise Kosovo,
> M> says our correspondent." --
>
> It comes of letting third world countries into Europe.

No, I doubt the US would ever be allowed in actually.

--
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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins
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On Feb 18, 5:04 am, Joseph Coulter <seeLOOKAT... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> "Sarah Banick" <sban... DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote innews:P-CdnYS32NwoxyXanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@comcast.com:
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> > "Markku Grönroos" <kur... DeleteThis @hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
> >news:laRtj.298091$cH7.25031@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> >> Today Kosovo will be declared independent.
>
> > Since Markku brought it up, I'm interested in hearing the European
> > view of this. I'm only hearing the basics from the American media. Do
> > you guys think the Serbs are going to accept this? Or are they burnt
> > out on war and ready to move forward with the EU? Can Kosovo survive
> > financially? And just how many states can be carved out of the former
> > Yugoslavia?
>
> > All opinions welcome.
>
> People in this thread are getting all worked up over a really interesting
> historical phenomenon, The Balkanization of the Balkans!
>
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Was it AJP Taylor who said the Balkans produce more history than can
be consumed locally?

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:02:46 -0500, "Sarah Banick"
<sbanick.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku.DeleteThis@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>news:laRtj.298091$cH7.25031@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> Today Kosovo will be declared independent.
>
>Since Markku brought it up, I'm interested in hearing the European view of
>this. I'm only hearing the basics from the American media. Do you guys think
>the Serbs are going to accept this? Or are they burnt out on war and ready
>to move forward with the EU? Can Kosovo survive financially? And just how
>many states can be carved out of the former Yugoslavia?
>
>All opinions welcome.

I'm no expert, but I've travelled a bit in the region and talked to
some locals, then read a bunch of books on the subject.

I think nationalist Serbs will hoot and holler and and make some noise
and even kill some people. But when it comes down to all-out military
attacks on the UN (which may as well say US), they will shrink like
the petty thugs they are. I seriously doubt this will evolve into
regional war.

If it does, the war will be stamped out quickly and Kosovo will be
fully beknighted as an honest-to-gawd independent nation by all and
sundry. After Kosovo, the Balkanization will be nearly complete.
Voivodina may move toward independence, but I don't think there's a
whole bunch of interest in it. Croatia may one day kvetch about
Dubrovnik being cut off by the Bosnian isthmus at Neum, but how else
will the powerful and impressive Bosnian navy get access to the
Adriatic? :0)

One thing I learned about the modern Balkan people: they agree that
only the idiots are warmongers and the rest of the educated normal
folks simply want to relax, go to work, have a beer and care for their
families. The nationalists are a minority, albeit a stupid and noisy
minority.

- TR
- personally, I'd like to see Wisconsin fight Michigan for possession
of the upper peninsula. Go cheeseheads!
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:54:31 +0100, Dusty Furtile Morrocan
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:


>So, so you think you could tell,
>Rough Guide from the Green,
>Conde Nast from Routard,
>Did you complain,
>About the delays upon the train,
>About the food on the plane,
>Or the pickpockets in Spain,
>
>So, do ya think you can spell,
>Siena or Sevile?
>Budapesht or Prishtina?
>Beckerovka in Praga,
>Ou un petit peu fois gras,
>Or maybe just gave up,
>.
>.
>.
>
>Oh, how I wish you were beer,
>Just an amber liquid accompanied by kebab (etc...)




Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
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On 17 Feb, 20:03, Keith Anderson <ke....DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:14:36 -0800 (PST), Forest Gimp
>
> <michaelnewp....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >imagine there's no countries......its ez if u try......
>
> And the RTE posters
> Would all just curl up and die
> Imagine there's no Mixi
> And Scrunge would say goodbye
>
> ah-ah-ah-ah
>
> You may say I'm a dreamer
> But I'm not the only one
> In the meantime I'll keep travelling
> 'Cos it's quite a lot of fun.
>
> Imagine there's no newsgroup
> It isn't hard to do
> No more Marrku Grönross
> Nor Horne nor DFM too
> Imagine there's no GoFig
> Posting loads of right-wing poo
>
> ah-ah-ah-ah
>
> You may say I'm a dreamer
> But I'm not the only one
> In the meantime I'll keep travelling
> 'Cos it's quite a lot of fun.
>
> Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
> now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen

....and now in German....
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