A new European state one can visit

"Sarah Banick" <sbanick RemoveThis @mindspring.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:AsudnaOCaqBwfSTanZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>
>> Probably only if the Austro-Hungarian Empire is brought back.
>>
>
> Not necessarily. The Serbs are historically backed by the Russians, and
> Putin isn't too happy about this right now. The West, on the other hand,
> is supporting independence. History has shown that you only need to light
> one fuse in the Balkans to blow up a number of ethnic hatreds.
>
> But the EU has taken care of that, right? We're all mature countries now
> who must work together.
Perhaps all of the former Yugoslavia should be annexed to the Ottoman
Empire. Long Live the Sultan!
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

On the particular moment of Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:01:13 -0500 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "Sarah
Banick" <sbanick.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> put forth:

>True, but you can't blame all of it on Austria and Turkey. They were
>latecomers. Each of those countries had their own empires at some point or
>another (Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece) and they still believe all those
>former territories are part of their nation's birthright, no matter how much
>they overlap. For example, three cultures claim the land now called
>Macedonia (Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia). When Tito was alive, he encouraged
>that population to develop a Macedonian identity, but ask a Greek,
>Bulgarian, or Serbian, and they'll tell you there are no "Macedonians."

Basically, there's no hope for them in the immediate future (read: 100
years).

Lovely piece of land they inhabit though.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

"Dusty Furtile Morrocan" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:810kr3hvrv065rfou52iqsghimvfg2a9ur@4ax.com...
> On the particular moment of Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:01:13 -0500 in
> relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "Sarah
> Banick" <sbanick.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> put forth:
>
>>True, but you can't blame all of it on Austria and Turkey. They were
>>latecomers. Each of those countries had their own empires at some point or
>>another (Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece) and they still believe all
>>those
>>former territories are part of their nation's birthright, no matter how
>>much
>>they overlap. For example, three cultures claim the land now called
>>Macedonia (Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia). When Tito was alive, he encouraged
>>that population to develop a Macedonian identity, but ask a Greek,
>>Bulgarian, or Serbian, and they'll tell you there are no "Macedonians."
>
> Basically, there's no hope for them in the immediate future (read: 100
> years).
>
> Lovely piece of land they inhabit though.
> --
> ---
> DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
> ---
> --

Lovely, yes, and the cultural clashes have only made it more intriguing
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

On the particular moment of Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:47:37 -0500 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "Sarah
Banick" <sbanick RemoveThis @mindspring.com> put forth:

>
>"Hatunen" <hatunen RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
>news:b1ijr3lgog3btq04jfu7cphpglf59ph6cs@4ax.com...

>> Probably only if the Austro-Hungarian Empire is brought back.
>>
>
>Not necessarily. The Serbs are historically backed by the Russians, and
>Putin isn't too happy about this right now. The West, on the other hand, is
>supporting independence. History has shown that you only need to light one
>fuse in the Balkans to blow up a number of ethnic hatreds.
>
>But the EU has taken care of that, right? We're all mature countries now who
>must work together.

The Balkans will be just fine, as long as no one interferes in the
next month or two.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:47:37 -0500, "Sarah Banick"
<sbanick DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"Hatunen" <hatunen DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
>news:b1ijr3lgog3btq04jfu7cphpglf59ph6cs@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:20:33 -0000, "William Black"
>> <william.black DeleteThis @hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Joseph Coulter" <seeLOOKATsig DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns9A47C1C9BCA02yourvacationcomcastn@216.196.97.136...
>>>
>>>> People in this thread are getting all worked up over a really
>>>> interesting
>>>> historical phenomenon, The Balkanization of the Balkans!
>>>
>>>That's because the consequences of Balkanisation in that area can lead to
>>>a
>>>major European war.
>>
>> Probably only if the Austro-Hungarian Empire is brought back.
>>
>
>Not necessarily. The Serbs are historically backed by the Russians, and
>Putin isn't too happy about this right now. The West, on the other hand, is
>supporting independence. History has shown that you only need to light one
>fuse in the Balkans to blow up a number of ethnic hatreds.
>
>But the EU has taken care of that, right? We're all mature countries now who
>must work together.
>

The real next question is when will Kosovo decide they want to unite
with Albania and will they expect a connecting corridor.

G
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

"grant kinsley" <sawbones.DeleteThis@uniserve.com> wrote in message
news:8udkr3lfbv55pj815bl9ekmfr6vmoodl2r@4ax.com...
>>> Probably only if the Austro-Hungarian Empire is brought back.
>>>
>>
>>Not necessarily. The Serbs are historically backed by the Russians, and
>>Putin isn't too happy about this right now. The West, on the other hand,
>>is
>>supporting independence. History has shown that you only need to light one
>>fuse in the Balkans to blow up a number of ethnic hatreds.
>>
>>But the EU has taken care of that, right? We're all mature countries now
>>who
>>must work together.
>>
>
> The real next question is when will Kosovo decide they want to unite
> with Albania and will they expect a connecting corridor.
>
> G
>

Hmmmm....anybody want to place bets?
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

Hatunen <hatunen.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
> >That's because the consequences of Balkanisation in that area can lead to a
> >major European war.
>
> Probably only if the Austro-Hungarian Empire is brought back.

Well, Austria and Hungary just removed their land border controls two
months ago.

--
K.

Lang may your lum reek.
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

On 17 Feb, 22:03, "tim \(not at home\)" <tims_new_h....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> "Markku Grönroos" <kur....RemoveThis@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>
> news:laRtj.298091$cH7.25031@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>
> > Today Kosovo will be declared independent.
>
> To change the subject slightly.
>
> Apparently, there are 5 EU countries who do not want to recognise Kosovo,
> because they have their own problem regions that will be encouraged to seek
> independence.
>
> I'm strugglinge to get beyond guessing one (Spain).
>

how many pieces of Spain are there ?
Bask, Catalonia....?
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

Am Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:37:38 GMT schrieb Lennart Petersen:

> "Frank Hucklenbroich" <Hucklenbroich01 RemoveThis @aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:y8w9o3sp23ua.tj1i3h1adxrc$.dlg@40tude.net...

>> In the "old days" about 20 years ago they made money from Germans who went
>> there to buy cheap cigarettes and alcohol, as taxes on that stuff were
>> much
>> lower in Luxemburg. Right after crossing the border you could find huge
>> stores selling cigarettes and liquor. You were only allowed to bring a
>> certain amount over the border, so smuggling was rampant. Since its all EU
>> this has disappeared mostly.
> ------------
> On the contrary , "as it's all EU" you're allowed to bring with you any
> amount as long as it's for your personal use. Those are the EU tax rules.

I know - what I mean is that these products are not that much chepaer in
Luxemburg as they used to be, so it's not much of a point anymore to go
there for cheap shopping.

Regards,

Frank
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

On 19 Feb, 15:09, "a.spencer3" <a.spenc... RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Forest Gimp" <michaelnewp... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6e9b99eb-c896-4088-99e2-fbcd8e657b99@d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 17 Feb, 22:03, "tim \(not at home\)" <tims_new_h... RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > "Markku Grönroos" <kur... RemoveThis @hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>
> >news:laRtj.298091$cH7.25031@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>
> > > Today Kosovo will be declared independent.
>
> > To change the subject slightly.
>
> > Apparently, there are 5 EU countries who do not want to recognise Kosovo,
> > because they have their own problem regions that will be encouraged to
> seek
> > independence.
>
> > I'm strugglinge to get beyond guessing one (Spain).
>
> how many pieces of Spain are there ?
> Bask, Catalonia....?
>
> Greece & Cyprus, obviously, re Turkish Cyprus.
> And non-EU Russia, not only because of its traditional support for Serbia,
> but also its other rebellious regions.
>
> The others are Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia. I'm not sure of their reasons.
>
> Surreyman

muney !
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

"grant kinsley" <sawbones.DeleteThis@uniserve.com> wrote in message
news:8udkr3lfbv55pj815bl9ekmfr6vmoodl2r@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:47:37 -0500, "Sarah Banick"
> <sbanick.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Hatunen" <hatunen.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:b1ijr3lgog3btq04jfu7cphpglf59ph6cs@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:20:33 -0000, "William Black"
>>> <william.black.DeleteThis@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Joseph Coulter" <seeLOOKATsig.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:Xns9A47C1C9BCA02yourvacationcomcastn@216.196.97.136...
>>>>
>>>>> People in this thread are getting all worked up over a really
>>>>> interesting
>>>>> historical phenomenon, The Balkanization of the Balkans!
>>>>
>>>>That's because the consequences of Balkanisation in that area can lead
>>>>to
>>>>a
>>>>major European war.
>>>
>>> Probably only if the Austro-Hungarian Empire is brought back.
>>>
>>
>>Not necessarily. The Serbs are historically backed by the Russians, and
>>Putin isn't too happy about this right now. The West, on the other hand,
>>is
>>supporting independence. History has shown that you only need to light one
>>fuse in the Balkans to blow up a number of ethnic hatreds.
>>
>>But the EU has taken care of that, right? We're all mature countries now
>>who
>>must work together.
>>
>
> The real next question is when will Kosovo decide they want to unite
> with Albania and will they expect a connecting corridor.

They don't need one, they share a common border.

Besides, in the next decade or so they'll both be in the EC so any trade
barriers will come down.

The EC seems to encourage Balkanisation even within itself.

Certainly the more radical Scots and Welsh nationalists have calmed down a
lot since they were given assemblies of their own, so it seems to work
within the context of a free trade area that regulates a lot of the basic
things in life such as safety standards and vehicles construction standards.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

grant kinsley <sawbones.DeleteThis@uniserve.com> writes:

>The real next question is when will Kosovo decide they want to unite
>with Albania and will they expect a connecting corridor.

They don't need one; they share a border.

--
http://lastcarriage.com/ - Independent Travel
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit 

"Forest Gimp" <michaelnewport.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6e9b99eb-c896-4088-99e2-fbcd8e657b99@d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On 17 Feb, 22:03, "tim \(not at home\)" <tims_new_h....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> "Markku Grönroos" <kur....DeleteThis@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>
> news:laRtj.298091$cH7.25031@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>
> > Today Kosovo will be declared independent.
>
> To change the subject slightly.
>
> Apparently, there are 5 EU countries who do not want to recognise Kosovo,
> because they have their own problem regions that will be encouraged to
seek
> independence.
>
> I'm strugglinge to get beyond guessing one (Spain).
>

how many pieces of Spain are there ?
Bask, Catalonia....?

Greece & Cyprus, obviously, re Turkish Cyprus.
And non-EU Russia, not only because of its traditional support for Serbia,
but also its other rebellious regions.

The others are Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia. I'm not sure of their reasons.

Surreyman
 >> Stay informed about: A new European state one can visit