Flybe require ID

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:59:12 +0000, Roland Perry <roland DeleteThis @perry.co.uk>
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 >In message <5i7s10lq5u9bupr7au4jvhltuke24a8ooo DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Lansbury
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  >>As from 01 January 2004 photographic identity is a requirement for all
  >>passengers on all flights.
 >
 >More problems for granny without a photo driving licence (or passport)
 >wanting to fly internally. What other kinds of photo ID will people be
 >accepting, realistically? We are getting close to the situation in the
 >USA where if you don't have a photo driving licence you are effectively
 >a non-person (to the extent that you can get a DL that's only good for
 >ID, and doesn't allow you to drive). I'd call that an ID card, myself.

"a DL that's only good for ID, and doesn't allow you to drive" is
called an ID card, not any kind of driving license.

A "passport" is a form of photo ID. It's larger than most states' ID
cards, so less used as such, but it works just fine...

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The message <QqXrzZWgmkHAFAy6 RemoveThis @perry.co.uk>
from Roland Perry <roland RemoveThis @perry.co.uk> contains these words:

 > More problems for granny without a photo driving licence (or passport)
 > wanting to fly internally. What other kinds of photo ID will people be
 > accepting, realistically?

I don't know about for flybe.. but if one has a SAGA credit card it has
one's photo on it, and quite often my mother used this for photo ID when
required. She finds it quite useful.

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In message <2004020214075470496 DeleteThis @operamail.com>, Air
<magwaus DeleteThis @operamail.com> writes
 >I don't know about for flybe.. but if one has a SAGA credit card it has
 >one's photo on it, and quite often my mother used this for photo ID when
 >required. She finds it quite useful.

I just looked it up:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www2.flybe.com/faq/paxInfo.htm" target="_blank">http://www2.flybe.com/faq/paxInfo.htm</a>

Valid Passport
Valid Photographic driving license
Citizen Card
Valid Student Card
Valid Photographic National ID card
Valid Airport/Airline Employees Security ID Pass
Valid Police Warrant Card/Badge
Valid Photographic Forces ID Card
Photographic ID for which proof of identity would have been previously
supplied and authenticated, such as council allocated bus passes.
All Government issued identity cards

Given the current money-laundering regulations, I wonder if it would be
possible to argue that a photo-credit-card came into the penultimate
category? Sounds very woolly to me - after all, a private sector
employee ID badge would count under all their criteria; but how do they
know how stringent the authentication process was?
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:59:12 +0000, Roland Perry <roland DeleteThis @perry.co.uk>
wrote:

 >In message <5i7s10lq5u9bupr7au4jvhltuke24a8ooo DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Lansbury
 ><lansbury DeleteThis @spamcop.net> writes
  >>As from 01 January 2004 photographic identity is a requirement for all
  >>passengers on all flights.
 >
 >More problems for granny without a photo driving licence (or passport)
 >wanting to fly internally. What other kinds of photo ID will people be
 >accepting, realistically? We are getting close to the situation in the
 >USA where if you don't have a photo driving licence you are effectively
 >a non-person (to the extent that you can get a DL that's only good for
 >ID, and doesn't allow you to drive). I'd call that an ID card, myself.
and this is where...... the National ID card is required, never mind
those namby pambies who are against such objects, when the contents
are already well documented and stored in so many computers , there is
nothing they dont know about you. The Sooner National ID cards
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 > Just seen this on the Flybe site.
 >
 > As from 01 January 2004 photographic identity is a requirement for all
 > passengers on all flights.
 >
 > In case anyone wasn't aware

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In message <u7ft10pd4e6u3bb40oambtskgi3ibha2ih.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Malcolm Weir
<malc.RemoveThis@gelt.org> writes
  >>We are getting close to the situation in the
  >>USA where if you don't have a photo driving licence you are effectively
  >>a non-person (to the extent that you can get a DL that's only good for
  >>ID, and doesn't allow you to drive). I'd call that an ID card, myself.
 >
 >"a DL that's only good for ID, and doesn't allow you to drive" is
 >called an ID card, not any kind of driving license.

Well, I'll admit they are called ID Cards, but they are issued by the
same office as Driving Licences, require the same documentation (save
for the actual driving test) and "contain the same personal information,
photo, signature and special protection against alteration and fraud as
a driver license" to quote my local DMV.

What I hadn't realised until just now was that a major use for them is
people who have been disqualified from driving (I'd previously thought
it was mainly people too young, or disinclined to drive).

 >A "passport" is a form of photo ID. It's larger than most states' ID
 >cards, so less used as such, but it works just fine...

But seems a bit extreme to need a passport for internal travel.
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"Roland Perry" <roland.RemoveThis@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > In message <5i7s10lq5u9bupr7au4jvhltuke24a8ooo.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Lansbury
 > <lansbury.RemoveThis@spamcop.net> writes
  >> More problems for granny without a photo driving licence (or passport)
 > wanting to fly internally.

While granny may not be able to drive. There is nothing to stop her getting
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In message <bvnsm8$1lb$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk>, Mark Hewitt
<mail.TakeThisOut@markhewittDotCoDotUk.spammers.will.die> writes
   >>> More problems for granny without a photo driving licence (or passport)
  >> wanting to fly internally.
 >
 >While granny may not be able to drive. There is nothing to stop her getting
 >a passport.

Only the inconvenience and cost. Oh, perhaps she can eat some cake, too.
And all for an internal flight. Wait till these restrictions get applied
to railway trains (like they were in the USA). A passport to get to
Pimlico, anyone?
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 >
 > Only the inconvenience and cost. Oh, perhaps she can eat some cake, too.
 > And all for an internal flight. Wait till these restrictions get applied
 > to railway trains (like they were in the USA). A passport to get to
 > Pimlico, anyone?
 > --

Granny can get a CitizenCard, accepted by FlyBE, and many other carriers,
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  > >A "passport" is a form of photo ID. It's larger than most states' ID
  > >cards, so less used as such, but it works just fine...
 >
 > But seems a bit extreme to need a passport for internal travel.

I have heard (but don't know if it is true) that 'the authorities' in the
USA can do 'customs' checks at state borders - particularly where cheap cigs
can be bought at Indian reservations. Maybe one of the resident locals knows
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:12:39 -0500, "Miss L. Toe"
<missltoemissltoe.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >USA can do 'customs' checks at state borders - particularly where cheap cigs
 >can be bought at Indian reservations

Cross the State line from Oregon to California and there is a sort of
"customs" check on fruit and other food stuffs which are banned to
prevent disease in crops.

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In message <bvsfri$10am4g$1@ID-201440.news.uni-berlin.de>, Miss L. Toe
<missltoemissltoe.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes
 >I have heard (but don't know if it is true) that 'the authorities' in the
 >USA can do 'customs' checks at state borders - particularly where cheap cigs
 >can be bought at Indian reservations. Maybe one of the resident locals knows
 >more

There are what amount to customs posts on some of the Interstate
Highways, but these are restricted to commercial vehicles (including,
the signs say, hired vans). The ones I've seen weren't open weekends.

I think they are mainly doing agricultural inspections (some states have
restrictions on what can be "imported" due to pests etc). I don't know
what they'd do if they found a huge consignment of cigarettes, but many
states have strict laws on commercial import of liquor, and they may
well check the paperwork.
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:04:09 +0000, Roland Perry <roland.DeleteThis@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

 >In message <bvsfri$10am4g$1@ID-201440.news.uni-berlin.de>, Miss L. Toe
 ><missltoemissltoe.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> writes
  >>I have heard (but don't know if it is true) that 'the authorities' in the
  >>USA can do 'customs' checks at state borders - particularly where cheap cigs
  >>can be bought at Indian reservations. Maybe one of the resident locals knows
  >>more
 >
 >There are what amount to customs posts on some of the Interstate
 >Highways, but these are restricted to commercial vehicles (including,
 >the signs say, hired vans). The ones I've seen weren't open weekends.

Those may be weigh stations; basically, commercial vehicle inspection
and rule enforcement.

On I-5 south of San Juan Capistrano in California (between LA and San
Diego, in the middle of the Marine's Camp Pendleton, as it happens)
there is an immigration inspection point for northbound traffic...

 >I think they are mainly doing agricultural inspections (some states have
 >restrictions on what can be "imported" due to pests etc). I don't know
 >what they'd do if they found a huge consignment of cigarettes, but many
 >states have strict laws on commercial import of liquor, and they may
 >well check the paperwork.

.... and we should forget what the Constitution says about regulating
interstate commerce...

[ Which is basically "if you are a state, you may not..." ]

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