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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 9:47 pm
Post subject: Air France KLM announce merger changes
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Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
1. Miles can be earned / redeemed by members of Frequence + and KLM FD as of
June 1, 2004 on both airlines
2. F + and KLM FD will be integrated in one new program sometime in 2005.
3. KLM will join Skyteam mid-September 2004.
3. Unprofitable routes (AF: Paris to Bristol, Birmingham and Glasgow; KL:
Amsterdam to Turin and Casablanca) will be axed.
4. KL to offer daily non-stop service Amsterdam to Manila, AF to stop flying
to Manila)
5. AF to offer daily non-stop service Paris to Caracas, KL to stop flying to
Caracas.
6. Only one airline will do Singapore - Jakarta v.v. (flights to be combined
in SIN)
More on www.klm.com
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 9:47 pm
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In article <40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha DeleteThis @xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
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> 1. Miles can be earned / redeemed by members of Frequence + and KLM FD as of
> June 1, 2004 on both airlines
> 2. F + and KLM FD will be integrated in one new program sometime in 2005.
> 3. KLM will join Skyteam mid-September 2004.
> 3. Unprofitable routes (AF: Paris to Bristol, Birmingham and Glasgow; KL:
> Amsterdam to Turin and Casablanca) will be axed.
> 4. KL to offer daily non-stop service Amsterdam to Manila, AF to stop flying
> to Manila)
> 5. AF to offer daily non-stop service Paris to Caracas, KL to stop flying to
> Caracas.
> 6. Only one airline will do Singapore - Jakarta v.v. (flights to be combined
> in SIN)
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:04 am
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"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:<40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
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snip
> 3. Unprofitable routes (AF: Paris to Bristol, Birmingham and Glasgow; KL:
> Amsterdam to Turin and Casablanca) will be axed.
Bristol is my local airport, and I would have used the AF service to
Paris many times, had it not been far more expensive than getting a
flight from London. Why can't they try to make services such as this
profitable by offering them at competitive fares, rather than simply
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 12:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Air France KLM announce merger changes [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:03:28 GMT, Not the Karl Orff <canwine.DeleteThis@nome.com>
wrote:
>In article <40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> "Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
>>
>> 1. Miles can be earned / redeemed by members of Frequence + and KLM FD as of
>> June 1, 2004 on both airlines
>> 2. F + and KLM FD will be integrated in one new program sometime in 2005.
>> 3. KLM will join Skyteam mid-September 2004.
>> 3. Unprofitable routes (AF: Paris to Bristol, Birmingham and Glasgow; KL:
>> Amsterdam to Turin and Casablanca) will be axed.
>> 4. KL to offer daily non-stop service Amsterdam to Manila, AF to stop flying
>> to Manila)
>> 5. AF to offer daily non-stop service Paris to Caracas, KL to stop flying to
>> Caracas.
>> 6. Only one airline will do Singapore - Jakarta v.v. (flights to be combined
>> in SIN)
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>makes sense to rationalise all these route extensions.
Surely they could combine at SIN or somewhere similar and send
someone's 744/340/777 on to Australia? KL always said they needed
daily service to make that extension worthwhile, hence their attempts
to combine it with AZ during the world's shortest lived alliance.
Between them they must have enough traffic to support that now. It
would also connect with AF partner Air Tahiti Nui for transpacific
ops.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 12:19 pm
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On Wed, 5 May 2004 18:47:24 +0200, "Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha.RemoveThis@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
>Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
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>1. Miles can be earned / redeemed by members of Frequence + and KLM FD as of
>June 1, 2004 on both airlines
>2. F + and KLM FD will be integrated in one new program sometime in 2005.
>3. KLM will join Skyteam mid-September 2004.
>3. Unprofitable routes (AF: Paris to Bristol, Birmingham and Glasgow; KL:
>Amsterdam to Turin and Casablanca) will be axed.
>4. KL to offer daily non-stop service Amsterdam to Manila, AF to stop flying
>to Manila)
>5. AF to offer daily non-stop service Paris to Caracas, KL to stop flying to
>Caracas.
>6. Only one airline will do Singapore - Jakarta v.v. (flights to be combined
>in SIN)
>
<font color=purple> >More on <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.klm.com</font" target="_blank">www.klm.com</font</a>>
>
>Sjoerd
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>
Something else I noticed, Basiqair are dropping their daily 737
AMS-MRS, and KL are starting 2 daily F70s, with AF codesharing.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 4:52 pm
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"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha DeleteThis @xs4all.nl> wrote in
news:40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl:
> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
What hppens to NW and to Worldperks miles? I couldn't find anything on NW's
or KL's web sites.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Air France KLM announce merger changes |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 5:26 pm
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In article <vvoj9094kd6n2fgn2apb4hnejocq92berh RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
AJC <ajc RemoveThis @wxs.nl> wrote:
> Surely they could combine at SIN or somewhere similar and send
> someone's 744/340/777 on to Australia? KL always said they needed
Australia would take a whole extra day to get there and back. Getting
to Jkarta and back is only a few hours.
However, IF traffic warrants, the 2 airlines could conceivably send on 2
services to SYD. MEL and/or AKL. Not sure how mch demand there is and
whether the airlines have 5th freedoms.
JKT could be servd by KUL.... if there was enough for 2!
> daily service to make that extension worthwhile, hence their attempts
> to combine it with AZ during the world's shortest lived alliance.
> Between them they must have enough traffic to support that now. It
> would also connect with AF partner Air Tahiti Nui for transpacific
> ops.
> --==++AJC++==--<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Air France KLM announce merger changes |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:07 pm
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On 6 May 2004 13:52:11 GMT, Chuckles <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote:
>"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha RemoveThis @xs4all.nl> wrote in
>news:40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl:
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>> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
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>What hppens to NW and to Worldperks miles? I couldn't find anything on NW's
>or KL's web sites.
NW are going along with it, maintaining their alliance with KL,
joining Skyteam, and closer relationship with AF, moving physically
closer to AF and KL at CDG2.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:07 pm
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AJC <ajc.TakeThisOut@wxs.nl> wrote in message news:<thhk90hilj6ebuem7ik3qhbvavnl8chdlj.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
> On 6 May 2004 13:52:11 GMT, Chuckles <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:
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> >"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha.TakeThisOut@xs4all.nl> wrote in
> >news:40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl:
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> >> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
> >
> >What hppens to NW and to Worldperks miles? I couldn't find anything on NW's
> >or KL's web sites.
>
> NW are going along with it, maintaining their alliance with KL,
> joining Skyteam, and closer relationship with AF, moving physically
> closer to AF and KL at CDG2.
> --==++AJC++==--
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 8:34 pm
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> > Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
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> What hppens to NW and to Worldperks miles? I couldn't find anything on NW's
> or KL's web sites.
Nothing happens to NW. KL's Flying Dutchman stays the same. From
September, when KL join SkyTeam, FD members will be able to earn points on
AF.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 10:11 pm
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Hilary <hilary+usenet@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Nothing happens to NW. KL's Flying Dutchman stays the same. From
> September, when KL join SkyTeam, FD members will be able to earn points on
> AF.
Can WorldPerks members get miles on AF? (Could they already?)
miguel
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:29 am
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"Hilary" <hilary+usenet@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0405061732560.14107-100000@pachabel.ednet.co.uk...
> Nothing happens to NW. KL's Flying Dutchman stays the same. From
> September, when KL join SkyTeam, FD members will be able to earn points on
> AF.
Not correct. Already from June 1. Read the press release or my earlier post.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:35 am
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In article <fbcaefd.0405061430.3ac084a3.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>,
jonathansmith99.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jonathan Smith) wrote:
> AJC <ajc.DeleteThis@wxs.nl> wrote in message
> news:<thhk90hilj6ebuem7ik3qhbvavnl8chdlj.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
> > On 6 May 2004 13:52:11 GMT, Chuckles <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > >"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl> wrote in
> > >news:40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl:
> > >
> > >> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
> > >
> > >What hppens to NW and to Worldperks miles? I couldn't find anything on
> > >NW's
> > >or KL's web sites.
> >
> > NW are going along with it, maintaining their alliance with KL,
> > joining Skyteam, and closer relationship with AF, moving physically
> > closer to AF and KL at CDG2.
> > --==++AJC++==--
>
>
> And what about CO?
Will follow into SkyTeam too but they're not so close to KL<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Air France KLM announce merger changes |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:45 am
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 00:35:13 GMT, Not the Karl Orff <canwine RemoveThis @nome.com>
wrote:
>In article <fbcaefd.0405061430.3ac084a3 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
> jonathansmith99 RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Jonathan Smith) wrote:
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>> AJC <ajc RemoveThis @wxs.nl> wrote in message
>> news:<thhk90hilj6ebuem7ik3qhbvavnl8chdlj RemoveThis @4ax.com>...
>> > On 6 May 2004 13:52:11 GMT, Chuckles <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha RemoveThis @xs4all.nl> wrote in
>> > >news:40991a7f$0$566$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl:
>> > >
>> > >> Air France KLM issued a lengthy press release with merger changes:
>> > >
>> > >What hppens to NW and to Worldperks miles? I couldn't find anything on
>> > >NW's
>> > >or KL's web sites.
>> >
>> > NW are going along with it, maintaining their alliance with KL,
>> > joining Skyteam, and closer relationship with AF, moving physically
>> > closer to AF and KL at CDG2.
>> > --==++AJC++==--
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>>
>> And what about CO?
>
>Will follow into SkyTeam too but they're not so close to KL
But have been getting closer with expanded codeshares in the last 6
months.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:11 am
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> > Nothing happens to NW. KL's Flying Dutchman stays the same. From
> > September, when KL join SkyTeam, FD members will be able to earn points on
> > AF.
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> Can WorldPerks members get miles on AF? (Could they already?)
In theory, yes, NW frequent flyers can earn points with AF, given the
close relationship with KLM. I believe CO has some sort of deal with KLM
as well, but I don't know if it applies to FF miles or just to the
routing via Amsterdam.
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