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(Msg. 916) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:42 am
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:49:23 +0000, Mike.....
<mikebclothing.RemoveThis@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>Following up to Tim C. <tim.challenger.RemoveThis@aon.at> wrote:
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>>>Horrors!! How could they possibly be happy without socialism?
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>>Who mentioned socialism? You need a reading and comprehension
>>refresher course, I think.
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>right wing Americans regard free at point of use medicine as
>socialism, I suspect that's why it frightens them.
Although this statement was not agreed in advance by the Politburo's
Central Committee (careful, in future, Comrade Mikhail), you've
probably hit the nail on the head.
With socialist greetings,
Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
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(Msg. 917) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:42 am
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Keith Anderson wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:49:23 +0000, Mike.....
> <mikebclothing RemoveThis @freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Following up to Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at> wrote:
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>>>> Horrors!! How could they possibly be happy without socialism?
>>>
>>> Who mentioned socialism? You need a reading and comprehension
>>> refresher course, I think.
>> right wing Americans regard free at point of use medicine as
>> socialism, I suspect that's why it frightens them.
>
> Although this statement was not agreed in advance by the Politburo's
> Central Committee (careful, in future, Comrade Mikhail), you've
> probably hit the nail on the head.
>
A close relative of mine tried to have a discussion about this with a US
co-worker. For some reason, free-at-point-of-use medical care is 'bad'
- but free-at-point-of-use fire service, police, and public education
are not bad. And illegal immigrants somehow found their way into the
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(Msg. 918) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:54 am
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(Msg. 919) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:04 am
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(Msg. 920) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:42 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:48:30 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger DeleteThis @aon.at>
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>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:41:09 GMT, john_kulp DeleteThis @hotmail.com (John Kulp)
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>>Incapable of making stupid generalizations after having met some
>>idiots are you?
>
>?? Martin's perfectly capable of making stupid generalisations. He's
>nearly as good as you.
He knows a lot more about pilots than you >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 921) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:43 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:50:41 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at>
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>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:29:42 GMT, john_kulp RemoveThis @hotmail.com (John Kulp)
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>>everyone that disagrees with him as a rightwing loon
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>I wouldn't label Jay as a loon.
You're not Mike >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 922) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:46 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:53:13 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger.RemoveThis@aon.at>
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>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:31:26 GMT, john_kulp.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (John Kulp)
>wrote:
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>>>>Other countries have written constitutions, do you get the frenzied
>>>>inaction over them you get in US?
>>>
>>>Nope. The Austrian constitution is regularly amended without much song
>>>and dance. Or at least the guidelines set down can be re-interpreted
>>>in the light of current circumstances.
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>>Gee just like the US one, amended by decisions.
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>And like most other constitutions. But it was the "frenzied
>inactivity" that was in question. When was the last amendment, btw? I
>don't know.
1992. It was the 27th concerning congressional pay raises.
Amendments are very rare and difficult to do, which is why most
changes to the constitution are by Federal Court decisions, most of
which actually happen at the Appeals Court level. >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 923) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:48 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:08:40 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger.RemoveThis@aon.at>
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>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:38:06 +0100, Dusty Furtile Morrocan
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
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>> However, since Europe is
>>routinely being subsidized at our expense,
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>How is it that "Europe" manages to get the "cheap"drugs while the US
>can't?
Already explained as well. Go so some research >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 924) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:49 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:46:58 +0000, Mike.....
<mikebclothing.TakeThisOut@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>Following up to Tim C. <tim.challenger.TakeThisOut@aon.at> wrote:
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>>> However, since Europe is
>>>routinely being subsidized at our expense,
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>>How is it that "Europe" manages to get the "cheap"drugs while the US
>>can't?
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>I covered this, its a US problem for the US to fix and John
>acknowledged that. it has no place here.
Gee, the censor speaks again. When the US fixes the problem it will
be an European problem just as I said. >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 925) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:50 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:40:20 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at>
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>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:54:24 GMT, john_kulp RemoveThis @hotmail.com (John Kulp)
>wrote:
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>>>It's the sort of thing to do when you are young and adventurous. I've
>>>been to some pretty rough places, but no where really poor like Sudan,
>>>Bangladesh, or Afghanistan. There is little health support in those
>>>places, even if you are relatively wealthy. Poor people just get sick
>>>and die.
>>>
>>>The ironic thing is just how happy the people can be!
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>>Horrors!! How could they possibly be happy without socialism?
>
>
>Who mentioned socialism? You need a reading and comprehension
>refresher course, I think.
Can't tell a joke either huh? >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 926) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:51 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:40:39 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at>
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>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:49:33 GMT, john_kulp RemoveThis @hotmail.com (John Kulp)
>wrote:
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>>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:07:38 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at>
>>wrote:
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>>>On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:27:05 GMT, john_kulp RemoveThis @hotmail.com (John Kulp)
>>>wrote:
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>>>>On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:34:50 +0000, Mike.....
>>>><mikebclothing RemoveThis @freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>>>Following up to Tim C. <tim.challenger RemoveThis @aon.at> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think he just has a need to slam "socialised medicine".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>An idea I think we all had after reading the subject line before even
>>>>>>opening the first post.
>>>>>
>>>>>yep.
>>>>
>>>>Which is typical of people with small, closed minds like your.
>>>
>>>make a sentence containing these words:
>>> pot, kettle, black.
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>>It would go right over your head.
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>Ouch, that hurt.
Well, go the NHS and get treated then >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 927) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:52 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:46:54 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger.TakeThisOut@aon.at>
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>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:51:58 GMT, john_kulp.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (John Kulp)
>wrote:
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>>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:14:25 +0100, Tim C. <tim.challenger.TakeThisOut@aon.at>
>>wrote:
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>>>>What's the leap then? No one here has provided one iota of proof that
>>>>this didn't happen to her. There is an online petition mostly signed
>>>>by Brits supporting her with her response. The rule apparently is
>>>>that whoever is able (I won't say responsible but I haven't seen
>>>>anyone stepping up claiming responsibility for it--I wonder why) to
>>>>make decisions like this can, in fact, make them and impose them
>>>>against a patient's own doctor's views, against clear market practice
>>>>where the same drug is routinely used in many other countries and all
>>>>the rest. And all of this without apparently much, if any, recourse
>>>>on the decision. So, instead of blather like this, why don't you try
>>>>to address all that? Because you can't?
>>>
>>>I don't doubt for one minute that what the NYT says happened to the
>>>women is true - more or less. But it has absolutely no relevance or
>>>logical connection to the fact that a such a rule exists or not.
>>>Do we have to do all your thinking for you? Can't you get your family
>>>involved.
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>>You can't even do your own thinking much less mine. If there is not
>>some rule/policy allowing decisions like this to be made, how was it
>>then made? Where did they get the authority to do it?
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>Is that how it works in the US? You can't do anything unless there is
>a rule specifically allowing it? No, I didn't think so.
Well, this is a government board presumably. Where did they get the
authority to do this then. As I asked before and you haven't
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(Msg. 928) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:54 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:49:23 +0000, Mike.....
<mikebclothing DeleteThis @freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>Following up to Tim C. <tim.challenger DeleteThis @aon.at> wrote:
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>>>Horrors!! How could they possibly be happy without socialism?
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>>Who mentioned socialism? You need a reading and comprehension
>>refresher course, I think.
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>right wing Americans regard free at point of use medicine as
>socialism, I suspect that's why it frightens them.
All the right wingers again. Almost everyone using the US healthcare
system has virtually the same thing with usually only a small copay to
make so people think about it before frivolously using health
services. >> Stay informed about: Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care |
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(Msg. 929) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:55 pm
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:09:02 +0000, Mike.....
<mikebclothing.TakeThisOut@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>Following up to Tim C. <tim.challenger.TakeThisOut@aon.at> wrote:
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>>>>Who mentioned socialism? You need a reading and comprehension
>>>>refresher course, I think.
>>>
>>>right wing Americans regard free at point of use medicine as
>>>socialism, I suspect that's why it frightens them.
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>>DFM said any medicine. No mention of the way it's to be paid for.
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>True, in that case its because he's a right wing loon.
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(Msg. 930) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:52 pm
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Following up to S Viemeister <firstname.TakeThisOut@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>A close relative of mine tried to have a discussion about this with a US
>co-worker. For some reason, free-at-point-of-use medical care is 'bad'
>- but free-at-point-of-use fire service, police, and public education
>are not bad. And illegal immigrants somehow found their way into the
>argument/discussion.....
a polite European at that point changes the subject to gun control,
Iraq or "switching" 
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Mike
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