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the_niner_nation

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:27 pm
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Hi..just wondering if any of the regular posters in here think it might be
okay to visit kenya later this year?

i am thinking of visiting again sometime in aug/september to do a week
safari in masai mara and a week in samburu, and 3 days in amboseli...i know
it's troubles are extremly volatile and unpredictable..


thnaks.




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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:05 am
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:25:43 -0000, the_niner_nation wrote:

>Hi..just wondering if any of the regular posters in here think it might be
>okay to visit kenya later this year?
>
>i am thinking of visiting again sometime in aug/september to do a week
>safari in masai mara and a week in samburu, and 3 days in amboseli...i know
>it's troubles are extremly volatile and unpredictable..

I'm sure you are aware that nobody can guarantee anything. Most
likely Kenya will come to rest again, but in the unlikely worst
case at least one newspaper suggested a civil war.

My personal attitude is that I would go (and I will probably
go). In fact, in a situation like this you will find it very
quiet with few tourists, and the lodges will treat you like a
king.

The downside is that there is always a residual risk that you
get into some kind of campaign or that some of the armed,
roaming gangs do a little road robbery on the side. You have to
bear that risk, and please don't blame my advice if it happens
to you. Something like this can always happen in Kenya, and the
risk is always low, but currently somewhat higher.

There's still some time until August, so just keep observing the
situation and postpone your ultimate decision.

Hans-Georg
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:18 am
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In message <httgp3ppg58kopa8vjgi2vhjq32ii4kgmq.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>
Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease.TakeThisOut@michna.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:25:43 -0000, the_niner_nation wrote:
>
>>Hi..just wondering if any of the regular posters in here think it might be
>>okay to visit kenya later this year?
>>
>>i am thinking of visiting again sometime in aug/september to do a week
>>safari in masai mara and a week in samburu, and 3 days in amboseli...i know
>>it's troubles are extremly volatile and unpredictable..
>
> I'm sure you are aware that nobody can guarantee anything. Most
> likely Kenya will come to rest again, but in the unlikely worst
> case at least one newspaper suggested a civil war.
>
> My personal attitude is that I would go (and I will probably
> go). In fact, in a situation like this you will find it very
> quiet with few tourists, and the lodges will treat you like a
> king.
>
> The downside is that there is always a residual risk that you
> get into some kind of campaign or that some of the armed,
> roaming gangs do a little road robbery on the side. You have to
> bear that risk, and please don't blame my advice if it happens
> to you. Something like this can always happen in Kenya, and the
> risk is always low, but currently somewhat higher.
>
> There's still some time until August, so just keep observing the
> situation and postpone your ultimate decision.

For the benefit of any Brits reading this thread, Hans-Georg is right,
but also be aware that if the Foreign Office advises against travel to
a particular country, your travel insurance will be invalid if you
decide to go there anyway (travel agents/tour operators here will
cancel automatically).

Other nationals will have to check the situation in their own country.

Slainte
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Paul Altmann

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:44 am
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On 25 Jan., 09:18, Liz Leyden <l... DeleteThis @liz13.uklinux.net> wrote:

> For the benefit of any Brits reading this thread, Hans-Georg is right,
> but also be aware that if the Foreign Office advises against travel to
> a particular country, your travel insurance will be invalid if you
> decide to go there anyway

For the benefit of any Germans reading this Wink ... The German Foreign
Office so far gave no general warning against traveling to Kenya, but
suggests to give up on all "unnecessary" trips. (http://
www.auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/de/Laenderinformationen/Kenia/Sicherheit...nweise.)

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:54 am
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I have been an x-pat for approximately 60 years living between Africa
and the Gulf States. I predicted when Arab Moi handed over his
presidency that Kenya would soon be in a civil war, in fact if Moi had
done another term I think the crisis in Kenya would have come earlier.

I have lived through and seen three civil wars in Africa. Biafra, The
hand over of Rhodesia and Mozambique, although not directly effected I
also saw what happened in Angola and Rwanda. Even as a very young kid
I have recollections of the Mau Mau uprising of Kenya.

The saying 'Once Bitten Twice Shy' was not my agenda. But 'Once -
Okay' - 'Twice A Fool' - In my case I was a total idiot as I
experienced first hand the plights.

This time however, I decided in November that I would leave Kenya
(with great sadness) as it was only a matter of months that the only
Sub Sahara African State would eventually be thrown into a Civil War.
One thing I have to say. Any third world country that survives on hand-
outs will eventually head for a civil war. Sadly the whole of Sub
Sahara Africa is the case.

It was just by chance that I came across this blog and noticed about
the advice from the Germany Foreign Office. Well if you have read
todays news you will see they got it totally wrong.

Quote<< German tourist and businessman battered to death in Kenyan
resort town
Print article
Refer to a friend
(c) AP
2008-01-28 11:28:38 -

MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) - A German tourist and a businessman were battered
to death by a gang of robbers who trailed them to their apartment at a
south-eastern Kenyan beach resort, police said Monday.
Police officer Stanley Lemai said there was a long struggle Sunday
night between the men and the robbers, who had overpowered the
security guard at the Diana beach resort.
They were killed with crude weapons, like clubs and machetes. Both of
them were hit in the head,>> Lemai said. Police refused to identify the
two men except to say one was a resident German businessman and the
other a German visitor. Diani is about 5 kilometres (three miles)
south of Mombasa port, Kenya's tourist capital.
The deaths were not linked to the postelection ethnic violence that
has driven many tourists from Kenya since a disputed Dec. 27
presidential vote.>> End of Quote

Link http://www.pr-inside.com/german-tourist-and-businessman-battered-to-r407851.htm

I think anyone just wanting to go on a paradise tropical holiday to
Kenya at this time Should seek another destination until the KNY
situation has completely been sorted. And I truly believe it will be a
few years until things get back to nornmal. If not a decade.

Anyway I wish you all the very best if you decide to risk a trip and
Good Luck - You will need it.

Regards

Mbanbo
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Paul Altmann

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:59 pm
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Just learnt about the sad news from a TV ticker ...

Meanwhile, there's an article about it on the online edition of the
German news magazine Der Spiegel:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,531472,00.html

Following that article, the incident had no relation to the post-
election unrest.

To make myself quite clear: I would not encourage anybody to travel to
Kenya during the coming weeks. I myself shifted my travel plans from
Kenya to Tanzania - to use Mbanbo's words, with great sadness.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:10 pm
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Kind of weird that both sources state sort of wrong location: They
mention a distance of 5 km from Mombasa to the crime scene - while it
really is about 20 to 25 km ...
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:40 am
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Possibilities for calming down later this year are quite high.With
international mediators inciatiting dialogue for both political divide,
very soon Kenya will retain its MOTTO Peace, Love and Unity as it has been
for over forty years since independence.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:47 am
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>
> I think anyone just wanting to go on a paradise tropical holiday to
> Kenya at this time Should seek another destination until the KNY
> situation has completely been sorted. And I truly believe it will be a
> few years until things get back to nornmal. If not a decade.
>
> Anyway I wish you all the very best if you decide to risk a trip and
> Good Luck - You will need it.
>
> Regards
>
> Mbanbo

Mbanbo..

you have convinced me not to vacation in Kenya this year...and I am not
utterly dissapointed that my vacation plans have been altered, but
devestated that there are 2 grown African men in Kenya whose arrogance is
causing something that could lead to a massacre and abuse of humanity that a
civilised world in the 21st century should never expereince.

Personally, I am fearing for the worst in Kenya, but hoping for the best..I
wonder if this time the çivilised'west will turn their backs on genocide
like they did in Rwanda and darfur...

my bet is that where africans are killing africans, the 'civilised 'west
wont care less...and my heart is bleeding for the beautiful people of the
beautiful country of kenya.

the hypocricy of western politicians saying that 'this must never happen
again' ..is looming around the corner.



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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:42 am
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On Jan 24, 3:25 am, "the_niner_nation" <the_niner_nat....TakeThisOut@sf49ers.com>
wrote:
> Hi..just wondering if any of the regular posters in here think it might be
> okay to visit kenya later this year?
>
> i am thinking of visiting again sometime in aug/september to do a week
> safari in masai mara and a week in samburu, and 3 days in amboseli...i know
> it's troubles are extremly volatile and unpredictable..
>
> thnaks.
>
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Hello
Just saw your post..I live in Kenya and would like to update you on
the situation.
Currently the Coastal regions which include Mombasa are calm now and
the
situation is getting back to normal

Its in the Rift Valley province and Western Kenya where the trouble is
the worst
especially Naivasha area. Samburu and Amboseli regions are safe and I
havent seen
any violence going on in these areas.

I grew up in Nakuru town, home to Lake Nakuru National park. My
parents told me
that things have calmed down..its only in the village areas that we
have cases of violence
coming up

Looking at pictures on CNN or Aljezeera, one might think Kenya has
plunged into a full
scale civil war..i assure you its not..though i cant deny the violence
is there...but to be
very honest its selected regions that have been affected. Other parts
of the country
people are moving on
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:39 pm
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"TourKenya" <njerimuch2004.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Possibilities for calming down later this year are quite high.With
> international mediators inciatiting dialogue for both political divide,
> very soon Kenya will retain its MOTTO Peace, Love and Unity as it has been
> for over forty years since independence.
>
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you clearly have a vested interest in that you promote tourism...but from
the Tv pictures i have seen, it dosn't seem as if tribal harmony will happen
very quickly at all, even if there is political dialogue.



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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:18 am
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Have you seen or heard anything about the refugees camping near
the Lanet barracks or police station? Are they still there?

What is Nakuru town looking like now? Are the shops open, people
in the streets? Does anybody have fresh news from Nakuru?

Hans-Georg
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:35 am
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"Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease.TakeThisOut@michna.com> wrote in message
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> Have you seen or heard anything about the refugees camping near
> the Lanet barracks or police station? Are they still there?
>
> What is Nakuru town looking like now? Are the shops open, people
> in the streets? Does anybody have fresh news from Nakuru?
>
> Hans-Georg
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Hans..I got a call from a friend in Nakuru yesterday ..it is calm but there
is a good deal of tension in the air. Shops and businesses are running, but
the flow of people is very low. My friend there owns a business in Nakuru
and he is leaving Kenya to return to England with his wife and family this
weekend until it is 'safe' to return...



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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:59 am
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:18:22 -0000, the_niner_nation wrote:

>"Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease.DeleteThis@michna.com> wrote in message
>news:0gc3q3d3ig1m7pjmgd41qv7jtrfbtnn8p9@4ax.com...

>> Have you seen or heard anything about the refugees camping near
>> the Lanet barracks or police station? Are they still there?
>>
>> What is Nakuru town looking like now? Are the shops open, people
>> in the streets? Does anybody have fresh news from Nakuru?

>Hans..I got a call from a friend in Nakuru yesterday ..it is calm but there
>is a good deal of tension in the air. Shops and businesses are running, but
>the flow of people is very low. My friend there owns a business in Nakuru
>and he is leaving Kenya to return to England with his wife and family this
>weekend until it is 'safe' to return...

Thanks for the info!

I cannot reach friends in Nakuru, hence my questions.

Hans-Georg
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:04 am
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Maybe you could find another destination in this big world ????
Is it really necessary to go right there at this very moment ??
Duh

"the_niner_nation" <the_niner_nation.RemoveThis@sf49ers.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> Hi..just wondering if any of the regular posters in here think it might be
> okay to visit kenya later this year?
>
> i am thinking of visiting again sometime in aug/september to do a week
> safari in masai mara and a week in samburu, and 3 days in amboseli...i
> know it's troubles are extremly volatile and unpredictable..
>
>
> thnaks.
>
>
>
>
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