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Since: Aug 03, 2003 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:56 am
Post subject: Leaving hotel keys at front desk Archived from groups: rec>travel>latin-america, others (more info?)
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I've noticed, especially when traveling in Latin America and in
Britain, that many of the inexpensive hotels and hostels require room
keys to be left at the front desk. This practice has always bothered
me a bit. Twice I have had things stolen from my room at hotels that
have this policy. This is especially bothersome at hotels that have a
locked front gate where you must ring a buzzer after hours to get let
in. The night watchman or desk clerk has got your key, and you're
locked out, there's no chance of you sneaking in and finding them in
your room. They rummage around until they hear the front door buzzer,
they walk out and lock the door and go downstairs to let you in.
I guess my question is why do some hotels require this? At some
places I've simply taken to walking by the front desk without leaving
my key. I've gotten some hard stares when I've come back in and waved
my key at them, but no one has ever stopped me from leaving without
dropping off the key. It just seems like an open invitation when you
leave your key with some squirrely-looking night watchman at the hotel
front door that says, "I'm leaving my room, please feel free to use my
key to rummage around while I'm gone!"
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"Free-ranging cats in the United States have an average lifespan in
the general population of only 3 to 5 years; indoor cats have an
average lifespan of 12 years and frequently live longer than 20
years..."
(Karen L. Overall, M.A., V.M.D., Ph.D., Diplomate, American College
of Veterinary Behavior; Department of Clinical Studies School of
Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania)
"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)
"Cats can be happily kept inside all the time"
(Robert J. Holmes, BVM&S, PhD, MRCVS, FACVSc,
Cat Behavior and Training
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 2:11 pm
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A hush fell over the crowd when, Don Swenson <don.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
stepped up to the podium and announced:
>I've noticed, especially when traveling in Latin America and in
>Britain, that many of the inexpensive hotels and hostels require room
>keys to be left at the front desk. This practice has always bothered
>me a bit. Twice I have had things stolen from my room at hotels that
>have this policy. This is especially bothersome at hotels that have a
>locked front gate where you must ring a buzzer after hours to get let
>in. The night watchman or desk clerk has got your key, and you're
>locked out, there's no chance of you sneaking in and finding them in
>your room. They rummage around until they hear the front door buzzer,
>they walk out and lock the door and go downstairs to let you in.
>
>I guess my question is why do some hotels require this? At some
>places I've simply taken to walking by the front desk without leaving
>my key. I've gotten some hard stares when I've come back in and waved
>my key at them, but no one has ever stopped me from leaving without
>dropping off the key. It just seems like an open invitation when you
>leave your key with some squirrely-looking night watchman at the hotel
>front door that says, "I'm leaving my room, please feel free to use my
>key to rummage around while I'm gone!"
I'd agree were it not for the fact that you're assuming that they
don't already have master keys to all the rooms. I doubt they need
your key to get into your room while you're gone. Maid service all
have master keys, if the cleaning people do, what prevents the rest of
the staff?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Leaving hotel keys at front desk |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 2:11 pm
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:11:14 -0400, 01dynanospam.DeleteThis@cox.net wrote:
>I'd agree were it not for the fact that you're assuming that they
>don't already have master keys to all the rooms. I doubt they need
>your key to get into your room while you're gone. Maid service all
>have master keys, if the cleaning people do, what prevents the rest of
>the staff?
Point taken, however, both times I've had things stolen from me were
at hotels where the front desk was closed at night and only a night
watchman was present "guarding" the front door. There was no maid
staff present in the evenings at these hotels. So basically what
you've got is a night watchman with your key, and a front gate that is
locked to prevent unwanted people suprising him while he's stealing
stuff from your room. I've pretty much decided that I will not stay
in such establishments in the future if I know they have this policy
beforehand. If it can't be helped, I'll simply refuse to leave my key
at the front desk unless they physically step in front of me and keep
me from leaving. My friends say I'm being an ugly tourist, but I'm
not keen on losing another $1000.00 video camera from my room and
being told in the morning by the manager, "I'm sorry sir, even though
our guard was the only person to have a key, if you didn't see him
taking it, there's nothing we can do." Oh well, you live and learn.
By the way, that was "The Magic Bean" in Quito in case anyone wants a
travel warning.
***********************************************
"Free-ranging cats in the United States have an average lifespan in
the general population of only 3 to 5 years; indoor cats have an
average lifespan of 12 years and frequently live longer than 20
years..."
(Karen L. Overall, M.A., V.M.D., Ph.D., Diplomate, American College
of Veterinary Behavior; Department of Clinical Studies School of
Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania)
"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)
"Cats can be happily kept inside all the time"
(Robert J. Holmes, BVM&S, PhD, MRCVS, FACVSc,
Cat Behavior and Training
Animal Behaviour Clinic, Malvern Vie 3 144, Australia)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Leaving hotel keys at front desk |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 6:25 pm
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A hush fell over the crowd when, Don Swenson <don.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
stepped up to the podium and announced:
>On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:11:14 -0400, 01dynanospam.RemoveThis@cox.net wrote:
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>>I'd agree were it not for the fact that you're assuming that they
>>don't already have master keys to all the rooms. I doubt they need
>>your key to get into your room while you're gone. Maid service all
>>have master keys, if the cleaning people do, what prevents the rest of
>>the staff?
>
>Point taken, however, both times I've had things stolen from me were
>at hotels where the front desk was closed at night and only a night
>watchman was present "guarding" the front door. There was no maid
>staff present in the evenings at these hotels. So basically what
>you've got is a night watchman with your key, and a front gate that is
>locked to prevent unwanted people suprising him while he's stealing
>stuff from your room. I've pretty much decided that I will not stay
>in such establishments in the future if I know they have this policy
>beforehand. If it can't be helped, I'll simply refuse to leave my key
>at the front desk unless they physically step in front of me and keep
>me from leaving. My friends say I'm being an ugly tourist, but I'm
>not keen on losing another $1000.00 video camera from my room and
>being told in the morning by the manager, "I'm sorry sir, even though
>our guard was the only person to have a key, if you didn't see him
>taking it, there's nothing we can do." Oh well, you live and learn.
>By the way, that was "The Magic Bean" in Quito in case anyone wants a
>travel warning.
>***********************************************
I think the "restricted entry" is probably more the problem than the
key. It would not be unexpected for the security guy to have a master
key to access rooms in an emergency. However, the fact that he
controls who enters the hotel after hours is a power tool in rifling
through some ones belongings. Leaving the key is just a way for him
to keep tabs who's out and who isn't.
I agree, I think it's a stupid policy. I see no logical reason for
it. Did they ever give you a reason for this odd policy? A simple
charge for lost keys is pretty standard in most hotels.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Leaving hotel keys at front desk |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:16 pm
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> I agree, I think it's a stupid policy. I see no logical reason for
> it. Did they ever give you a reason for this odd policy? A simple
> charge for lost keys is pretty standard in most hotels.
When you stay at a hotel that does not have a credit card imprint, then
how do they get their charge?
Also, getting a duplicate key or new lock can be time consuming.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Leaving hotel keys at front desk |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:06 pm
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>I agree, I think it's a stupid policy. I see no logical reason for
>it. Did they ever give you a reason for this odd policy? A simple
>charge for lost keys is pretty standard in most hotels.
Not really. I was first told by my traveling companion, who had been
to Latin America many times, that "this is the way they do things down
here," and to basically stop complaining and being an "ugly tourist."
The hotel manager told me that they do it to keep people from copying
keys. You know what the funny part is? They have a sort of guestbook
in the commons area where people can sign their name and leave
comments. I read back and found two instances where people said,
"Keep your eye on the night guard, he's kind of 'sketchy'." Their
response was, well, not much, except to say that I could have left my
door unlocked or that some other guest could have broken into my room
and taken it. Essentially, I couldn't prove anything, so I was out of
luck. Yes, I learned a valuable lesson about leaving stuff in the
room. Sometimes it's just hard to pack everything with you when you
want to go out for dinner if you don't have a place to lock it. I now
have a duffle bag with a big lock on it, so at least that will slow
them down.
***********************************************
"Free-ranging cats in the United States have an average lifespan in
the general population of only 3 to 5 years; indoor cats have an
average lifespan of 12 years and frequently live longer than 20
years..."
(Karen L. Overall, M.A., V.M.D., Ph.D., Diplomate, American College
of Veterinary Behavior; Department of Clinical Studies School of
Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania)
"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)
"Cats can be happily kept inside all the time"
(Robert J. Holmes, BVM&S, PhD, MRCVS, FACVSc,
Cat Behavior and Training
Animal Behaviour Clinic, Malvern Vie 3 144, Australia)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Leaving hotel keys at front desk |
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Since: Jan 18, 2004 Posts: 103
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:30 pm
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We have used hotels in many places, Berlin, Rio, Bangkok, etc and
usually they ask us to leave the key when we leave. We simply do not, we
take the key off the Hotel room marker, and attach it to our own key
ring...or in the case of cards carry it in our wallet. ...so far no
hotel has ever asked a second time or insisted.
Elliot >> Stay informed about: Leaving hotel keys at front desk |
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Since: Sep 29, 2003 Posts: 194
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:03 pm
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In article <q28qiv87o56vkvuab5s1b3m0l6vep9ouju.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Don Swenson
<don.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> writes
-- snip snip --
>***********************************************
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>"Free-ranging cats in the United States have an average lifespan in
>the general population of only 3 to 5 years; indoor cats have an
>average lifespan of 12 years and frequently live longer than 20
>years..."
>(Karen L. Overall, M.A., V.M.D., Ph.D., Diplomate, American College
>of Veterinary Behavior; Department of Clinical Studies School of
>Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia,
>Pennsylvania)
>
>"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
>plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
>compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
>(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
>College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)
>
>"Cats can be happily kept inside all the time"
>(Robert J. Holmes, BVM&S, PhD, MRCVS, FACVSc,
>Cat Behavior and Training
>Animal Behaviour Clinic, Malvern Vie 3 144, Australia)
Is that your bleeding sig ?
*faints*
Now, what was the post all about?
--
JohnM
Author of Brazil: Life, Blood, Soul
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Since: Oct 02, 2003 Posts: 614
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:53 am
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On 08/03/2003 1:11 PM Don Swenson wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:11:14 -0400, 01dynanospam.RemoveThis@cox.net wrote:
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>
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>>I'd agree were it not for the fact that you're assuming that they
>>don't already have master keys to all the rooms. I doubt they need
>>your key to get into your room while you're gone. Maid service all
>>have master keys, if the cleaning people do, what prevents the rest of
>>the staff?
>>
>>
>
>Point taken, however, both times I've had things stolen from me were
>at hotels where the front desk was closed at night and only a night
>watchman was present "guarding" the front door. There was no maid
>staff present in the evenings at these hotels. So basically what
>you've got is a night watchman with your key, and a front gate that is
>locked to prevent unwanted people suprising him while he's stealing
>stuff from your room. I've pretty much decided that I will not stay
>in such establishments in the future if I know they have this policy
>beforehand. If it can't be helped, I'll simply refuse to leave my key
>at the front desk unless they physically step in front of me and keep
>me from leaving. My friends say I'm being an ugly tourist, but I'm
>not keen on losing another $1000.00 video camera from my room and
>being told in the morning by the manager, "I'm sorry sir, even though
>our guard was the only person to have a key, if you didn't see him
>taking it, there's nothing we can do." Oh well, you live and learn.
>By the way, that was "The Magic Bean" in Quito in case anyone wants a
>travel warning.
>***********************************************
>
>"Free-ranging cats in the United States have an average lifespan in
>the general population of only 3 to 5 years; indoor cats have an
>average lifespan of 12 years and frequently live longer than 20
>years..."
>(Karen L. Overall, M.A., V.M.D., Ph.D., Diplomate, American College
>of Veterinary Behavior; Department of Clinical Studies School of
>Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia,
>Pennsylvania)
>
>"The hazards of the outdoors-automobiles, dogs, rival cats, poisonous
>plants, infectious diseases, and fleas, to name but a few-are
>compelling reasons to keep cats exclusively indoors."
>(Dr. James Richards, Director, Cornell Feline Health Center,
>College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York)
>
>"Cats can be happily kept inside all the time"
>(Robert J. Holmes, BVM&S, PhD, MRCVS, FACVSc,
>Cat Behavior and Training
>Animal Behaviour Clinic, Malvern Vie 3 144, Australia)
>
>
You've been burned twice. As I see it the solution is simple. Don't
stay at those kinds of hotels, or don't leave anything of value in your
room when you go out.
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Brian M. Kochera
"Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:08 am
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elliot schrieb:
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> We have used hotels in many places, Berlin, Rio, Bangkok, etc and
> usually they ask us to leave the key when we leave. We simply do not, we
> take the key off the Hotel room marker, and attach it to our own key
> ring...or in the case of cards carry it in our wallet. ...so far no
> hotel has ever asked a second time or insisted.
>
> Elliot
>
>
It's normal practice to drop the room key off at reception in Europe (at
least the ones that have keys rather than swipe cards).
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