Malaria and Mosquito Repellent

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:23:56 +1100, Alan S <nothere.RemoveThis@there.com> wrote:

>Hi All
>
>I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>
>I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>
>I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>countries if replenishment is needed.
>
>I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>thoughts on that would also be appreciated.

Only those with Deet work as a mosquito repellent, unless you want to
try what we used in Vietnam which was tabacco juice, which I wouldn't
recommend but it sure works. Probably for the same reason as it kills
humans. You should ask your doctor what concentration is safe for you
given your condition. Sleep with a mosquito net even if you have to
take one with you which is what I would do.
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"Alan S" <nothere.TakeThisOut@there.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All
>
> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>
> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>
> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
> countries if replenishment is needed.
>
> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Slovenia

As others have said, concoctions based on DEET work best. In Australia,
Bushmans is 80% DEET. Freely available in Qld and most of the tropics I
think. Not sure about southern states.Whatever you get, make sure its cream
or oil based....sprays are useless.
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In article <fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Alan S says...

> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
> countries if replenishment is needed.

The Autan they sell here in Germany blocks mosquitoes 100%. Much, much
more efficient than what I have been able to find in south east Asia. My
experience is that with the Autan (sold in Germany) mosquitoes do not
sting me.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe
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"Alan S" <nothere.DeleteThis@there.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All
>
> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>
> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>
> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
> countries if replenishment is needed.
>
> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.

Malaria medication can have some nasty side-effects, especially if taken
for longer than eight weeks or so.

Plus it can make you drowsy, affect sleep patterns and all sorts of nasty
stuff. The reason people start it before they go is to find out if you can
function while taking the stuff. It also isn't that effective, it only
seems to stop 30% to 50% of infections...

In India I find that decent anti-insect discipline when sleeping (always
switch on the electric mosquito killer, make sure the window meshes are in
good condition) and rub on DEET (about 30% works, anything over 50%
irritates my skin) about an hour before dusk if going out of doors.

There's an old trick you can try, which is to spray some 100% DEET on your
hat brim now and again, but your hat gets in a disgusting state after a
month or so...

As for brands, the 'Boots' own brand 'tropical strength stuff works.

So does one called 'Jungle Juice' but it's three times the price...

My experience is that the best you can buy is the stuff the local chemist,
wherever the insects are, recommends, because the insects vary...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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It's widely available in Sydney - chemists, camping shops etc.

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>
> "Alan S" <nothere.DeleteThis@there.com> wrote in message
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>> Hi All
>>
>> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>>
>> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>>
>> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>> countries if replenishment is needed.
>>
>> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>> --
>> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Slovenia
>
> As others have said, concoctions based on DEET work best. In Australia,
> Bushmans is 80% DEET. Freely available in Qld and most of the tropics I
> think. Not sure about southern states.Whatever you get, make sure its
> cream or oil based....sprays are useless.
>
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Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap too.

Some cautions.

If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It can
become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of users
suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use extra
sunscreen as a cautionary measure.

You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks after
last exposure.

It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after
taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.

It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed in
the UK for this purpose.

Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.

Take Care.




"Alan S" <nothere.TakeThisOut@there.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All
>
> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>
> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>
> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
> countries if replenishment is needed.
>
> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Slovenia
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Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!!



" A Mate" <maybe RemoveThis @somewhere.com.au> wrote in message
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> Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
> prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap
> too.
>
> Some cautions.
>
> If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It can
> become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of users
> suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use extra
> sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
>
> You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks
> after last exposure.
>
> It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
> breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after
> taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
>
> It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
> effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed in
> the UK for this purpose.
>
> Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
>
> Take Care.
>
>
>
>
> "Alan S" <nothere RemoveThis @there.com> wrote in message
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>> Hi All
>>
>> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>>
>> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>>
>> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>> countries if replenishment is needed.
>>
>> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>> --
>> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Slovenia
>
>
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In general, use good prevention techniques of tucking in pants legs,
putting protective stuff on clothing, etc, to minimize the actual
amount of skin in contact with DEET, and then plan your application
times to allign with times of higher exposure risk (dawn, dusk,
etc).

-----------------------------------------

If all you're doing is sitting on a beach then fine.

If you are on a city break then walking about with your pant tucked into
your socks may just cause some hilarity.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
<recscuba_google RemoveThis @huntzinger.com> wrote:

>"William Black" <william.bl... RemoveThis @hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Malaria medication can have some nasty side-effects,
>> =A0especially if taken for longer than eight weeks or so.
>
>Plus they each have their trade-offs. FWIW, one of them (I forget
>which: its the one that is one pill per week) has a side effect
>warning of "vivid dreams" ... this is a polite way of saying
>"nightmares". I've taken this stuff, and I found that my balance was
>off on the day after taking it (got less bad over time).
>
>
>> In India I find that decent anti-insect discipline...
>> ...and rub on DEET (about 30% works, =A0anything over 50%
>> irritates my skin) about an hour before dusk if going out of doors.
>
>DEET is a known carcinogen, so it is wise to limit your exposure
>instead of bathing in the stuff. This means to be aware of both how
>many hours/day its on your skin, as well as the concentration level in
>use.

Not in humans it hasn't though Alan has a medical condition so he
should see his doctor and discuss DEET and its particular use in his
case.
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during my travels in W. Africa I found that DEET 28% (muskol
pump-non-aerosol) worked best.. you should carry non-aerosol if possible, I
found out the hard way and had all my spray cans confiscated by the airport
authority..

also I found that a good citrus based lotion worked well also.. For most of
the trip, I used straight lemon rind, you just rub it on your skin... that
works great and you don't really smell. That is what most of the locals did.

There is no total prevention of Malaria.. you can still get it if you follow
what people say.. the pills however will make the symptoms more bearable.
(know this personally).. After your trip... if you feel sick like a flu or
cold, go to the doc asap and demand a test for Malaria..

If you are going to Egypt in Feb, Mar. the Malaria risk is low. same with
Jordan and the Yucatan (cancun or Mayan Riviera)

your major risk will be Thailand, Cambodia, Inda and maybe the Yucatan
(depending on where your going) If you are NOT back packing up country or
hanging out in the jungle sleeping in tents, your risk is lower.

If you are with a tour group, staying in resorts etc.. your risk is lower.

If you have immune problems, you should also take a cortisone cream with you
for other bug bites, I found this extremly useful when I got huge welts and
unidentifiable marks/rashes on my body and other topical skin conditions.


--
Don't tell me how educated you are,
tell me how much you have traveled.
www.globosapiens.net/ta-shy
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> Oops - I meant chloroquine resistant strains of malaria!!
>
>
>
> " A Mate" <maybe RemoveThis @somewhere.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Doxycycline is the most efficient and reliable pharmaceutical malaria
>> prophylactic. Effective against chloroquine malarial strain etc. Cheap
>> too.
>>
>> Some cautions.
>>
>> If buying outside Australia - be sure it is within its expiry date (It
>> can become toxic, and cause liver damage if it very old). Some 3% of
>> users suffer enhanced sensitivity to sunburn when taking doxy - so use
>> extra sunscreen as a cautionary measure.
>>
>> You take 1 x 100mg tablet daily, from 1 day before exposure to 4 weeks
>> after last exposure.
>>
>> It's best taken at about the same time every day (I always take it with
>> breakfast), after food, or with food. Do not lie down for 30 minutes
>> after taking - as it can cause reflux with some people.
>>
>> It is the anti-malarial of choice for the ADF; and recognised as very
>> effective by the CDC in Atlanta - but for some reason rarely prescribed
>> in the UK for this purpose.
>>
>> Big Trip - must be a few 'looong' weeks.
>>
>> Take Care.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alan S" <nothere RemoveThis @there.com> wrote in message
>> news:fmbcq35kgj9acu8lp5l2dev4fv658938c8@4ax.com...
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I'm going on a trip which will include Thailand, Cambodia,
>>> India, Jordan, Egypt and Yucatan in a few weeks.
>>>
>>> I will be doing the normal prophylaxis for malaria. I have
>>> to be fairly careful with a shaky immune system.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate suggestions on the most effective rub-on
>>> or spray-on mosquito repellents for daily personal use.
>>> Preferably one that doesn't also repel those who sit next to
>>> me in buses and which doesn't make me appear to be covered
>>> in baby oil and which is likely to be available in those
>>> countries if replenishment is needed.
>>>
>>> I'll be talking to my doc on medication prophylaxis, but any
>>> thoughts on that would also be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>>> --
>>> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>>> latest: Slovenia
>>
>>
>
>
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"Alfred Molon" <alfred_molon DeleteThis @yahoo.com> schrieb
> The Autan they sell here in Germany blocks mosquitoes 100%.

To my experience in SE Asia: yes, correct.
Other travellers told me: doesn't work at all for me!

My experience: Koh Samed, maybe 4 years ago
Around 5:30PM I sprayed all bare skin with Autan, shortly after I went
outside, in front of the bungalow.
Moskitoes swirled all around me in large numbers (on Samed they eat you
alive at certain times of day!), but none of them actually sat down and
tried sucking my blood.

Maybe the travellers with negative experiences for Autan didn't apply
enough or left out some places on their skin... who knows.

> Much, much
> more efficient than what I have been able to find in south east Asia.

Well, "Sketolene" sold in Thailand does the job very well too. Comparable
to Autan IMHO.
IIRC it has about 15...20% DEET.

> My experience is that with the Autan (sold in Germany) mosquitoes do
> not sting me.

Maybe it's the same with Autan bought in other countries.
My bottle of Autan (bought in Germany) contains 20% of the active agent
(not DEET).


AFAIK the Autan agent was developed in comparison to DEET and it was said
that the new agent was even a bit (some %) more effective than DEET.


To summarize my experience:
Either Autan or DEET will do their job quite good.
Look out for high % of the active agent. A minimum of 15...20% should work
for you.
Spray generously. Better one pumping too much than one too little.
Spray each cm² of your uncovered skin. Whats not sprayed thats not
protected.

BTW: if you're outside, maybe bungalow in the evening: get Moskito Coils.
To my experience they work too.


cu, Thomas
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
<recscuba_google.RemoveThis@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>DEET is a known carcinogen

Could you support that please? I'm not being smart; that's a
genuine request. I have CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia, so I
would appreciate any links you may have supporting that. I
did do some searching on Google Scholar
http://tinyurl.com/27nqgy
Medline
http://tinyurl.com/26pqe2
and Highwire
http://tinyurl.com/yvylwl
but found no clear support. There were some problems noticed
in rats, mice and dogs but no indication of human problems.

That is also one of the reasons I'm taking the dangers from
Mosquito bites in the tropics very seriously. But I'll still
travel:-)

I bought a tube of 80% Bushman's yesterday to try it. Rubbed
a tiny amount on my forearms. Possibly it's purely
coincidental that today I have gastro problems. Possibly
not.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:43:13 GMT, john_kulp DeleteThis @hotmail.com
(John Kulp) wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:44:53 -0800 (PST), -hh
><recscuba_google DeleteThis @huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>"William Black" <william.bl... DeleteThis @hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Malaria medication can have some nasty side-effects,
>>> =A0especially if taken for longer than eight weeks or so.
>>
>>Plus they each have their trade-offs. FWIW, one of them (I forget
>>which: its the one that is one pill per week) has a side effect
>>warning of "vivid dreams" ... this is a polite way of saying
>>"nightmares". I've taken this stuff, and I found that my balance was
>>off on the day after taking it (got less bad over time).
>>
>>
>>> In India I find that decent anti-insect discipline...
>>> ...and rub on DEET (about 30% works, =A0anything over 50%
>>> irritates my skin) about an hour before dusk if going out of doors.
>>
>>DEET is a known carcinogen, so it is wise to limit your exposure
>>instead of bathing in the stuff. This means to be aware of both how
>>many hours/day its on your skin, as well as the concentration level in
>>use.
>
>Not in humans it hasn't though Alan has a medical condition so he
>should see his doctor and discuss DEET and its particular use in his
>case.

Of course, particularly as my doc will be the one
prescribing malaria prophylaxis meds. However, I've found
that the collective knowledge of the net - for all my
ailments - often assists me in dealing with docs and
specialists.

So I appreciate all the input here. Thanks all.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
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