NY to LHR Newark Best??

> Hi, is flying from Newark airport a better choice for flying BA back
> to LHR or is JFK ok???

Your chances of getting back to England are pretty good either way.

As far as getting to the airport, JFK is a lot easier if you're coming
from Long Island or Connecticut, marginially easier if coming from
Westchester. Newark is a lot easier if you're coming from New Jersey.
If you're coming from Manhattan, it's a tossup now that both have
decent train connections.

On the other hand, if there's some other problem you're worried about,
how about giving us a hint?
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In message <ucgh83td94floehamu1qqoa1689vt8j6tb.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, at 12:14:57 on
Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Binyamin Dissen <postingid.RemoveThis@dissensoftware.com>
remarked:
>:>Hi, is flying from Newark airport a better choice for flying BA back to LHR
>:>or is JFK ok???
>
>What are your considerations?
>
>If you live in Newark, EWR is better. In Queens, JFK is better.
>
>I presume that the schedules are not identical, so that may be a consideration
>as well.

It would also be surprising if discount prices were the same (a quick
check seems to show that full-fare pricing is identical). Personally, I
have always found Continental cheaper than BA.
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"GigaNews" <???> wrote in message
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> Hi, is flying from Newark airport a better choice for flying BA back to
> LHR or is JFK ok???
>
It depends on where you're starting out from. If you're in Manhattan,
Newark is a bit closer, and you can take the train from Pennsylvania Station
directly to Newark Airport. Kennedy is a bit more distant and you'll need
to take either a coach or taxi. Because it is across state lines to Newark,
a taxi will be cost prohibitive as the taxi cannot pick up a return fare in
New Jersey.

OTOH, BA have more flights out of JFK so if flexibility is an issue, JFK may
make more sense.

Jeff
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In article <Tbdii.121$bz7.46@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
Jeff Hacker <jhacker.DeleteThis@usa.net> wrote:
....
>It depends on where you're starting out from. If you're in Manhattan,
>Newark is a bit closer, and you can take the train from Pennsylvania Station
>directly to Newark Airport.

Not directly (i.e., not all the way to the airport)

>Kennedy is a bit more distant and you'll need to take either a coach or
>taxi.

Not true - you can take the subway (or the LIRR) and the AirTrain.
Also, what is a "coach"?

>Because it is across state lines to Newark, a taxi will be cost
>prohibitive as the taxi cannot pick up a return fare in New Jersey.

Why is this? Can you explain further?
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:32:32 +0000 (UTC), gazelle RemoveThis @xmission.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:

>Not true - you can take the subway (or the LIRR) and the AirTrain.
>Also, what is a "coach"?

UK English for a long-distance bus (e.g. a Greyhound), i.e. one with
decent seats etc rather than a local bus with hard seats.

Neil

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In message <f6bqtg$2mk$1@news.xmission.com>, at 21:32:32 on Mon, 2 Jul
2007, Kenny McCormack <gazelle.DeleteThis@xmission.xmission.com> remarked:
>In article <Tbdii.121$bz7.46@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
>Jeff Hacker <jhacker.DeleteThis@usa.net> wrote:
>...
>>It depends on where you're starting out from. If you're in Manhattan,
>>Newark is a bit closer, and you can take the train from Pennsylvania Station
>>directly to Newark Airport.
>
>Not directly (i.e., not all the way to the airport)
>
>>Kennedy is a bit more distant and you'll need to take either a coach or
>>taxi.
>
>Not true - you can take the subway (or the LIRR) and the AirTrain.

Interesting how people can differ over simple things like "is there a
train to the airport". What hope does the occasional visitor have?

>Also, what is a "coach"?

A bus.

>>Because it is across state lines to Newark, a taxi will be cost
>>prohibitive as the taxi cannot pick up a return fare in New Jersey.
>
>Why is this?

Sounds like there's a law.

> Can you explain further?

Protectionism by the New Jersey taxi-owners union, perhaps?
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Roland Perry
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:14:17 +0100, Roland Perry <roland DeleteThis @perry.co.uk>
wrote:


>>>Because it is across state lines to Newark, a taxi will be cost
>>>prohibitive as the taxi cannot pick up a return fare in New Jersey.
>>

A taxi from Manhattan to Newark Airport is hardly prohibitive, though
why one would take it when there are trains, buses and shuttles I
don't know. According to the NYC regulations:

For a trip to Newark Airport the fare shall be:

the amount shown on the taximeter plus a surcharge of $15.00; and

all necessary tolls to and from the destination shall be paid by the
passenger.

Any continuous trip where the point of origin and the destination are
both within the limits of the City of New York shall not be considered
a trip beyond the City limits, even though the shortest and most
direct route requires traveling outside such limits but within
contiguous counties. For such a trip the meter must be kept in the
recording position throughout.
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Roland Perry <rol....RemoveThis@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>Paul Frankenstein <X....RemoveThis@X.x> remarked:
> >To get to Newark by rail: take NJ Transit to Newark Airport
>
> So where does the AirtrainNewark fit in?
>
> >and then take the monorail to the actual terminals.
>
> ... is it the name of the Monorail? (The picture on their website looks
> like a conventional train).

Yes, the airport monorail is called the "AirTrain".

The AirTrain's (monorail's) service connects "not quite all" of the
airport's parking lots to -- all three -- of the terminals, and then
extends out to connect to the NJ Transit Rail line, which is the
"Newark Airport train station" that's relevant here.

Basically, what's confusing is that there are no train platforms *at*
the airport: instead, you have to make this monorail connection to
get to a train platform, and even then, its not a rail station proper,
but just a stop along the rail line. While you can catch trains to
"whereever" (including AMTRAK), to get to the nearest proper train
station or into New York City, your next step is to ride the train for
1 stop to get to Newark Penn Station.

>From Newark Penn Station, you can then either grab a train (maybe the
same one) to go to New York Penn Station (yes, they're both called
Penn Station), or you can transfer again to now get on the
"PATH" (Port Authority Subway) line, which would let you go to other
destinations within New York City, etc.



> > Alternatively, you can take the PATH from Manhattan to
> > Newark Penn, and then either take a bus from Newark
> > Penn to the airport or NJ Transit from Newark
> > Penn to the airport.
>
> So that's four trains (subway to Manhatten Terminus, PATH, NJ Transit
> and Monorail?

No. There is no subway, no rail, or PATH that leaves directly from
EWR to anywhere (let alone Manhatten), so you have to make a transfer
someplace. The "first leg" of your trip will have to either be the
monorail ("AirTrain"), bus, or taxi.

If you take the 'Airtrain' (monorail), then you're going to transfer
first at the end of the monorail line, at the "Newark Airport train
station". Assuming you're heading for NYC, you have two train
choices:

a) transfer onto a NJ Transit train for 1 stop (cheap)
b) transfer onto an AMTRAK train for 1-2 stops (expensive)

For both, the first stop would be to the same place: Newark Penn
Station.

For the AMTRACK, the second stop would be New York Penn Station...and
it might call for a change of trains in Newark Penn Station anyway, so
I'm going to ignore this possibility and move on:

Okay, you're now in Newark Penn Station and you have real options:

1) Train to New York Penn Station (NJ Transit AMTRAK)
2) PATH (Port Authority "subway" between NY/NJ) - a couple of options
3) "Other" sorts of Train connections (Hoboken to PATH to NYC, etc)
4) NJ Transit bus? (I don't know offhand what's available)

I think what Paul has described were routes of:

Monorail (AirTrain) - Train (NJ Transit) - subway (PATH)
with transfers at [Newark Airport Train Station] & [Newark Penn
Station]


Bus (NJ Transit) - subway (PATH)
with transfers at [Newark Penn Station]


I recall that the bus service also used to include a link into the
Port Authority's Mahatten Bus Terminal (625 8th Avenue) ... it was on
the "NJ Transit" bus line? I don't know if this is still a direct
service, or if they've added a hub (such as Newark Penn Station), but
it might be worth looking into. Overall, a lot can depend on where
within NYC you're trying to go, since these different options can drop
you off at different locations - - which may very well save you from a
final transfer that would be performed either via taxi within the
City, or on NYC's subway or bus system.


-hh
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In message <1183741611.409398.273030 RemoveThis @c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, at
17:06:51 on Fri, 6 Jul 2007, -hh <recscuba_google RemoveThis @huntzinger.com>
remarked:
>> So that's four trains (subway to Manhatten Terminus, PATH, NJ Transit
>> and Monorail?
>
>No. There is no subway, no rail, or PATH that leaves directly from
>EWR to anywhere (let alone Manhatten), so you have to make a transfer
>someplace. The "first leg" of your trip will have to either be the
>monorail ("AirTrain"), bus, or taxi.

I was describing the journey from NY to Newark, which from your
description is at least three trains. A subway to get you from wherever
you are in Manhattan, to connect to a train to a station near the
airport, to connect onto the monorail. And that middle leg might be two
trains.
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Roland Perry
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"Roland Perry" <roland.TakeThisOut@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:WUmO7Y25keiGFAgc@perry.co.uk...
> In message <f6bqtg$2mk$1@news.xmission.com>, at 21:32:32 on Mon, 2 Jul
> 2007, Kenny McCormack <gazelle.TakeThisOut@xmission.xmission.com> remarked:
>>In article <Tbdii.121$bz7.46@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
>>Jeff Hacker <jhacker.TakeThisOut@usa.net> wrote:
>>...
>>>Because it is across state lines to Newark, a taxi will be cost
>>>prohibitive as the taxi cannot pick up a return fare in New Jersey.
>>
>>Why is this?
>
> Sounds like there's a law.
>
>> Can you explain further?
>
> Protectionism by the New Jersey taxi-owners union, perhaps?

Don't most jurisdictions have this rule? E.g.: London cabbies
charge more for going outside the 'Metro' area because they can't
'tout' at the drop off point.

tim


> --
> Roland Perry
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In message <5fa5ivF35uib8U1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>, at 19:50:51 on Sat, 7
Jul 2007, tim..... <tims_new_home DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>Don't most jurisdictions have this rule? E.g.: London cabbies
>charge more for going outside the 'Metro' area because they can't
>'tout' at the drop off point.

There seem to be agencies through which they can collect pre-booked
fares from Gatwick - which seems to be more lenient than the NY/NJ
situation.
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Roland Perry
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Roland Perry wrote:

> In message <5fa5ivF35uib8U1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>, at 19:50:51 on Sat, 7
> Jul 2007, tim..... <tims_new_home.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>
>> Don't most jurisdictions have this rule? E.g.: London cabbies
>> charge more for going outside the 'Metro' area because they can't
>> 'tout' at the drop off point.
>
>
> There seem to be agencies through which they can collect pre-booked
> fares from Gatwick - which seems to be more lenient than the NY/NJ
> situation.

Well, NJ is in a different state.
Each state has its own vehicle and driver licensing laws.
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In message <lKadnfYXyeB3sw3bnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com>, at 17:25:18
on Sat, 7 Jul 2007, NotABushSupporter <user.RemoveThis@not.here> remarked:
>> There seem to be agencies through which they can collect pre-booked
>>fares from Gatwick - which seems to be more lenient than the NY/NJ
>>situation.
>
>Well, NJ is in a different state.
>Each state has its own vehicle and driver licensing laws.

Which don't appear to prevent a NY driver dropping a fare in NJ. But
only prevent him picking up a NJ fare and taking them back to NY.

It would make some sense if the NY driver couldn't pick up a NJ fare and
take them somewhere else in NJ.

In any event, with NY and NJ in such close proximity, having state law
act as a restraint of trade like this seems very odd to European eyes,
especially as we are told all the time that the USA is the land of
freedom and enterprise!
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Roland Perry
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