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Dick Adams

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:32 am
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Where does the Nullarbor begin and where does it end?
What precautions shoud be taken when driving through it.

Dick

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:35 am
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Dick I just posted a reply to you re your aussie holiday, hope that helps a
bit.

"Dick Adams" <rdadams RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote in message
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> Where does the Nullarbor begin and where does it end?
> What precautions shoud be taken when driving through it.
>
> Dick

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:31 am
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:19:48 +0000 (UTC), rdadams DeleteThis @panix.com (Dick
Adams) wrote in <fdcml4$7e1$1@reader1.panix.com> :

>Where does the Nullarbor begin and where does it end?

No definite points, opinion differs. IMHO, when driving from
east to west, would say that Ceduna was the last eastern outpost.

Wasn't paved when I last drove it. Reasonably flat and level. Can
see car and truck headlights from miles away. Little traffic,
especially at dusk, night, and dawn.

At least in those days.... When you see the first signs of
civilization, after several hours, you will probably stop, at
least to refuel, and get a meal.

National Highway 1 now paved all the way around Australia, the
last stretch in 1988.

>What precautions shoud be taken when driving through it.

These days, as is fairly well traveled, possibly none. ...But if
I was doing it again, would at least have water and food for a
couple of days at least.

Then again, I am a cautious type.

On less traveled inland roads or even "highways" , would
personally carry two weeks worth of food and water.

Actually, would even do this between Sydney and Rockhampton, or
Cairns, both in Qld.

Basically, I'm "realistic" or "pessimistic", take your choice!

Cheers,
kangaroo16


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>Dick
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Dick Adams

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:38 am
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kangaroo16 <kangaroo16.DeleteThis@invalid.com>
> Dick Adams wrote:

>> Where does the Nullarbor begin and where does it end?

> No definite points, opinion differs. IMHO, when driving from
> east to west, would say that Ceduna was the last eastern outpost.
>
> Wasn't paved when I last drove it. Reasonably flat and level. Can
> see car and truck headlights from miles away. Little traffic,
> especially at dusk, night, and dawn.
>
> At least in those days.... When you see the first signs of
> civilization, after several hours, you will probably stop, at
> least to refuel, and get a meal.
>
> National Highway 1 now paved all the way around Australia, the
> last stretch in 1988.

>> What precautions shoud be taken when driving through it.

> These days, as is fairly well traveled, possibly none. ...But if
> I was doing it again, would at least have water and food for a
> couple of days at least.
>
> Then again, I am a cautious type.

Me too. Yjis advice I will take.

> On less traveled inland roads or even "highways" , would
> personally carry two weeks worth of food and water.
>
> Actually, would even do this between Sydney and Rockhampton, or
> Cairns, both in Qld.
>
> Basically, I'm "realistic" or "pessimistic", take your choice!

I'm thinking realistic. Because we'll be driving west to east,
I'll get some clip on sun glasses.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:38 pm
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On 9/29/07 3:29 AM, in article s4asf3llocldkoi2n52hstaukg3vk6g9ke.TakeThisOut@4ax.com,
"kangaroo16" <kangaroo16.TakeThisOut@invalid.com> wrote:

<snip>
> Am not talking here of spelling variations such as the English
> "whisky" which Yanks spell "whiskey", but misspelling of common
> words.

These spelling are not an English-US variation. Only scotch whisky and
Canadian whisky can spell the word without the "e" Apparently, is an
acknowledgement of the quality and history of the product. They are both
quite different in flavour.

Martha Canada
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:33 pm
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>Actually, should have gone into a bit more detail here. On many
>highways and roads, even comparatively near the major cities.
>most people prefer to travel during the day.

Would very much like to see the Nullabor some day!!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:33 am
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:33:49 -0500, me.DeleteThis@privacy.net wrote in
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>>Actually, should have gone into a bit more detail here. On many
>>highways and roads, even comparatively near the major cities.
>>most people prefer to travel during the day.
>
>Would very much like to see the Nullabor some day!!

From your full header I gather that you might be from
the eastern USA. If so, I can appreciate your yen for the
"wide open spaces" with a low population.

Before migrating to Australia, most of my life was
spent in the western states of the USA.

Horace Greeley, from memory, said "Go west, young
man, go west". If already on the west coast of the
U.S.A., the alternatives of Hawaii or other islands
didn't appeal to me. Australia was further west, and
seemed more potentially interesting.

I don't regret my choice, or I would come back to the USA.
I haven't been there for decades, even for a visit.

Some people think the Nullarbor boring, and I suppose it
is for some people who are merely crossing it to get to
W.A. However, it is limestone, which means that lots of
sinkholes and limestone caves. Some, but not all, have
been discovered and explored, so the Nullarbor is
of considerable interest to spelunkers.

As may have mentioned before on this group, Australia has a lot
of surprises. The only country in the world with wild camels.
From memory, about 95% of insect species haven't been
scientifically classified. So it is possible to achieve
immortality by having the opportunity to have a species
named after you.

Not only insects, of course. It wasn't that long ago when
someone discovered a new species of frog.

However, no one has scientifically proven the existence of the
legendary "bunyip".

The Australian bush at night can be an interesting place.
I will never forget the cry of one nocturnal bird whose cry
sounds exactly like a woman screaming. Almost guaranteed to
awaken most travelers or migrants who haven't heard it before!

Most Australian flowering plants are only found growing wild in
this corner of the world. All native vertebrate animals are
marsupials, not placental mammals.

In the USA, the only wild marsupial animal, from memory, is
an opossum. Many years ago someone introduced them to New
Zealand, where they have become a nuisance, but Cath can tell the
group about these if she wishes. She should be an expert on
nuisance behavior, after all. Smile

I'm actually surprised at the percentage of Americans who
have never had a passport, or even traveled to Canada or Mexico!

When there, once met a Yank in his fifties who had never traveled
more than 150 miles from his place of birth.

IMHO, Australia is one of the most desirable tourist destinations
in the world. It is not only very interesting but it is a safe
destination. Safer than many parts of the USA, actually, let
alone some other exotic destinations, such as Africa.

Americans are popular here, even Texan visitors and migrants.Smile

Added just to reassure Janet! Smile

If you, or other readers, have any questions, I will try to
answer them. I could provide a valid e-mail address, of course,
but see no reason to do so. For the simple reason that it isn't
necessary. If anyone has any questions, they, and the answers,
may be of interest to other readers.

Note to "Cath": I don't do long distance medical or
psychological assessments even by e-mail, let alone on groups. I
would suggest that she contact a qualified local practitioner.

Possibly she won't, as "arrogant" or "controlling" personalities
often refuse to seek help for their condition.

They tend to "suppress" or "repress" their condition. Even
though it is fairly obvious to many others. Especially if
they have a few drinks at a party.

As someone once said, to use Freudian terminology,
"Alcohol is a superego solvent." Smile

Which, as usual, reminds me of another joke: Two psychoanalysts
pass in a hallway. One says "good morning". The other wonders
what he meant by that.

Also applies to some psychiatrists, actually. Usenet often
offers a fruitful field of research, though.

Anyway, have been busy on other tasks yesterday and today, so am
a bit behind on usenet posts.

I would recommend that you, personally, try to visit Australia,
as not only has the Nullarbor, but many other experiences as
well.

Must try to answer other posts on groups, though, so will
close for now.

Cheers,
Kangaroo16
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:05 am
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:34:57 GMT, kangaroo16 <kangaroo16.DeleteThis@invalid.com>
wrote:

>>SNIP0ES Huge snips.....

Further to our previous discussions regarding the location and size of
the Nullarbor......

The plot thickens !!

Here are the transcripts of the e-mails I sent to and received from
the Australian national Museum, and their information from their
geosciences staff, regarding the information you posted
previously.....

I am Astounded !!


> --------- Original message --------
>
> Tony ned said on :
>
> Hi,
>
> Just reading one of the newsgroups, and the subject of the Nullarbor
> plain was mentioned.
>
> The person posting quoted your page on the Nullarbor plain, and the
> figure of 2000km being the length of the plain.
>
> This is all news to me as from Norseman in WA to Ceduna in SA is only
> around 1200km.
>
> Perhaps someone could clarify then, where the supposed start and end
> of the actual Nullarbor Plain are.
>
> Sent by the AM Public Enquiry System from Australian Museum Enquiries
><enq1.DeleteThis@amonline.net.au> on Wednesday October 10, 2007 at 09:01 AEST




Which attracted this reply....

On 10 Oct 2007 at 9:02, Australian Museum Enquiries wrote:

> Dear Tony,
>
> Thankyou for your enquiry. I checked with our Geosciences' staff and
> got this response:
>
>> "Hi Ondine,
>> some investigation revealed my original figure of 2000 km came from
>> the Wilderness Society web page. I must now assume that this figure was
>> in error, although it is still on their web site. The more correct
>> figure should be close to 1200 km (Norseman to Ceduna), although I have
>> also seen a range of figures and a range of boundary places."
>> Ross Pogson, Geosciences.
>
> Thankyou for letting us know - we will correct the text as soon as we
>can!
>
> Regards
>
> Ondine Evans
> Web
>


My last reply to them this evening by return to Ondine Evans....

OH Dear dear dear !!!

A scientist whom supposedly knows about the Earths physical formation
giving you, the Australian National Museum information that is
patently incorrect I find very disturbing.

Enough said.

Tony
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:45 am
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:11:42 +0800, tony.RemoveThis@altavista.com wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:34:57 GMT, kangaroo16 <kangaroo16.RemoveThis@invalid.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>SNIP0ES Huge snips.....
>
>Further to our previous discussions regarding the location and size of
>the Nullarbor......
>
>The plot thickens !!
>
>Here are the transcripts of the e-mails I sent to and received from
>the Australian national Museum, and their information from their
>geosciences staff, regarding the information you posted
>previously.....
>
>I am Astounded !!
>
>
>> --------- Original message --------
>>
>> Tony ned said on :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just reading one of the newsgroups, and the subject of the Nullarbor
>> plain was mentioned.
>>
>> The person posting quoted your page on the Nullarbor plain, and the
>> figure of 2000km being the length of the plain.
>>
>> This is all news to me as from Norseman in WA to Ceduna in SA is only
>> around 1200km.
>>
>> Perhaps someone could clarify then, where the supposed start and end
>> of the actual Nullarbor Plain are.
>>
>> Sent by the AM Public Enquiry System from Australian Museum Enquiries
>><enq1.RemoveThis@amonline.net.au> on Wednesday October 10, 2007 at 09:01 AEST
>
>
>
>
>Which attracted this reply....
>
>On 10 Oct 2007 at 9:02, Australian Museum Enquiries wrote:
>
>> Dear Tony,
>>
>> Thankyou for your enquiry. I checked with our Geosciences' staff and
>> got this response:
>>
>>> "Hi Ondine,
>>> some investigation revealed my original figure of 2000 km came from
>>> the Wilderness Society web page. I must now assume that this figure was
>>> in error, although it is still on their web site. The more correct
>>> figure should be close to 1200 km (Norseman to Ceduna), although I have
>>> also seen a range of figures and a range of boundary places."
>>> Ross Pogson, Geosciences.
>>
>> Thankyou for letting us know - we will correct the text as soon as we
>>can!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ondine Evans
>> Web
>>
>
>
>My last reply to them this evening by return to Ondine Evans....
>
>OH Dear dear dear !!!
>
>A scientist whom supposedly knows about the Earths physical formation
>giving you, the Australian National Museum information that is
>patently incorrect I find very disturbing.
>
>Enough said.
>
>Tony


By the way, I forgot to mention, you should go have alook at the site
from which this Geoscientit got his information.....

The Wilderness Society......

Slightly biased Tree Hugging colourful slant on things from the "Rent
a Crowd" mob !!
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:39 am
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:11:42 +0800, tony.TakeThisOut@altavista.com wrote in
<1urug3doaqi152i979fe9mqkn66oannc7o.TakeThisOut@4ax.com> :

>On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:34:57 GMT, kangaroo16 <kangaroo16.TakeThisOut@invalid.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>SNIP0ES Huge snips.....
>
>Further to our previous discussions regarding the location and size of
>the Nullarbor......
>
>The plot thickens !!
>
>Here are the transcripts of the e-mails I sent to and received from
>the Australian national Museum, and their information from their
>geosciences staff, regarding the information you posted
>previously.....
>
>I am Astounded !!

Well, I can't claim to be "astounded" as have seen a lot of
misinformation on "Usenet".

Nevertheless, I find the issue quite interesting. Did they tell
you how long it would take for them to correct their page?

I, like others, don't like to be misled by what most would
consider a "reliable source".

As mentioned in another post to some group, though, what really
does astound me, personally, is the extent of mis-spelling fairly
common English words, even by Ph.D.'s

Don't they proofread their posts to Usenet, and immediately
correct them?

Don't they, or their office staff know how to use a spell
checking program?

Even I do! Most of the time, anyway!

Since most of my posts are to US groups, I use an "American
Dialect" spell checker.

Still, when checking, I will often instruct it to ignore a
spelling "error" such as the use of "humour" for the American
"humor".

Simply as a subtle reminder that Australian spelling is often
different to American spelling.

Which, as most readers of Usenet know, can be a lot different.
I confess that I still can't get used to the U.S. spelling of
"nite" for "night". Smile [as a simple example!]

Now, of course, some apparent spelling errors could be the result
of the random flipping of an "bit" of ASCII code from a "1" to a
"0" or vice versa.

Other errors, though, seem to result from simple ignorance, even
among Ph.D.s of the different spelling of "whiskey" and
"whisky", although this has already been explained to me by a
kind reader on one of the groups.

Still, it is an annoyance to have to use alternative spellings
when searching for information.

Factual errors, though, are admittedly much more important! Such
as the mileage [or kilometerage] data between "Ceduna" and
"Norseman".

One usually doesn't bother to check more than a tiny fraction of
available information on "Usenet". At least I don't.

In the case of my post, I made the mistake of simply assuming
that an "Australian Museum" reference would be "reliable" and
"accurate".

It seems that I was wrong!

Sincere thanks for your correction, as I don't like to quote
apparently " unreliable" sources.

I accept that it is "wrong", but am very curious how long it will
take them to "correct" it!

Am sure that you are curious as well!

"Usenet" is an amazing resource, but I don't think that any of us
should "take anything for granted".

I have a variety of "maps" and "atlases", but in this case, I
didn't bother to check them. Thanks again for drawing the error
to my attention!

Perhaps most people on groups couldn't be bothered, for one
reason or another.

I think we should both follow this particular mistake up, though.

Do you think it would help if I posted to the museum and asked
them to clarify the issue? Or perhaps if I even composed and
posted a "registered" or "security post" letter?

I wonder how long it will take them to "correct" their site. This
could be interesting, you know. Smile

To people such as ourselves, anyway!

Incidentally, this group and the associated immigration group
seem very slow groups to me.

Do they strike you as such?

The daily posts on either can be read in a few minutes, or, in
some cases, even seconds.

This seems pretty odd to me, personally. Were I in the position
of even visiting Australia as a tourist, let alone migrating
here, [which I have], I could think of lots of questions to ask.

Pages and pages of questions, hundreds or thousands of words.

No doubt members of both groups are happy that the resource we
all enjoy wasn't available to me when I came here in the sixties.

I don't regret it, of course. Australia is a "beaut" country.

Have lived most of my life here, will probably die here.

The closest country I've ever seen that offers "Paradise on
Earth", and unlike many "Yanks" I have seen a few.

Please keep us informed as to the results of your contacts with
the "Australian Museum" and other authorities.

Sincerely,
"kangaroo16"









>
>
>> --------- Original message --------
>>
>> Tony ned said on :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just reading one of the newsgroups, and the subject of the Nullarbor
>> plain was mentioned.
>>
>> The person posting quoted your page on the Nullarbor plain, and the
>> figure of 2000km being the length of the plain.
>>
>> This is all news to me as from Norseman in WA to Ceduna in SA is only
>> around 1200km.
>>
>> Perhaps someone could clarify then, where the supposed start and end
>> of the actual Nullarbor Plain are.
>>
>> Sent by the AM Public Enquiry System from Australian Museum Enquiries
>><enq1.TakeThisOut@amonline.net.au> on Wednesday October 10, 2007 at 09:01 AEST
>
>
>
>
>Which attracted this reply....
>
>On 10 Oct 2007 at 9:02, Australian Museum Enquiries wrote:
>
>> Dear Tony,
>>
>> Thankyou for your enquiry. I checked with our Geosciences' staff and
>> got this response:
>>
>>> "Hi Ondine,
>>> some investigation revealed my original figure of 2000 km came from
>>> the Wilderness Society web page. I must now assume that this figure was
>>> in error, although it is still on their web site. The more correct
>>> figure should be close to 1200 km (Norseman to Ceduna), although I have
>>> also seen a range of figures and a range of boundary places."
>>> Ross Pogson, Geosciences.
>>
>> Thankyou for letting us know - we will correct the text as soon as we
>>can!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ondine Evans
>> Web
>>
>
>
>My last reply to them this evening by return to Ondine Evans....
>
>OH Dear dear dear !!!
>
>A scientist whom supposedly knows about the Earths physical formation
>giving you, the Australian National Museum information that is
>patently incorrect I find very disturbing.
>
>Enough said.
>
>Tony
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:39 am
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My source is TravelMate and it has the distance from Eucla to Ceduna
at 605.50 km. But from Norseman to Ceduna is 825.76 km. However,
From Norseman to Port Augusta is 1,676.21 km. So it depends on from
where and to where you are measuring.

I will bring that all-time American thirst quencher, Gatorade,
to preven dehydration. LoL

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:30:29 +0000 (UTC), rdadams.DeleteThis@panix.com (Dick
Adams) wrote:

>My source is TravelMate and it has the distance from Eucla to Ceduna
>at 605.50 km. But from Norseman to Ceduna is 825.76 km. However,
>From Norseman to Port Augusta is 1,676.21 km. So it depends on from
>where and to where you are measuring.
>
Now that is strange....

Just went to Travelmate.com.au and they give the distance from
Norseman WA to Ceduna SA as 1201.63 klms.

Maps.Google.com.au gives 1201 klms

Whereis.com.au gives 1203.95

The slight discrepancies are due to the actual street starting and
finishing points at Norseman and Ceduna

I wonder how you managed to get Norseman to Ceduna as 825.76 klms ??


>I will bring that all-time American thirst quencher, Gatorade,
>to preven dehydration. LoL
>
>Dick
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