Shooting at Northern Illinois.

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PeterL <po.ning RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> By your reasoning than if we just make taking cocaine illegal, that
> would make it superfluous to make manufacturing and distributing
> cocaine illegal too.

Well, why not?

Maybe some laws should be printed in the statute books in bold print
with certain sections in italics to make them more effective.

But, you presented an interesting example; are you a drug warrior too?

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In news:47b63dbd$0$4974$4c368faf@roadrunner.com sechumlib
<sechumlib DeleteThis @liberal.net> wrote:

> What we need are A LOT of anti-gun laws, nationally as well as
> locally, and time for them to be in operation for a while before we
> evaluate their effectiveness.
>
> Any other questions?
>

How about a law against murder?

Do you think that might help?

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:01 -0600, "Jim Davis"
<sky.dancer1.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku.RemoveThis@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>news:nYftj.297192$dA7.31512@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>
>> "PeterL" <po.ning.RemoveThis@gmail.com> kirjoitti
>> viestissä:ff01862a-3086-453f-8c36-399bf195d2cc@28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com...
>>> Thought I post this first, just to warn europeans to stay away from
>>> northern illinois.
>>>
>> Well done.
>>>
>>> DEKALB, Ill. - A man dressed in black opened fire with a shotgun and
>>> two handguns from a stage of a lecture hall at Northern Illinois
>>> University on Thursday, injuring as many as 18 people, four
>>> critically, before he killed himself, the school's president said.
>>>
>> I was about to broadcast this piece of news myself. Yes, it is sad that
>> this happens almost everyday in the USA and so often at school. Americans
>> should pull themselves together (lawmakers in particular) and collect
>> pistols, machine guns and bazookas away from ordinary citizens. These
>> tools don't fit the hands of ordinary people in the first place. And when
>> Joe Smith blows up with hardware bought from the John J. Rambo
>> supermarket, many innocent people have to die for no decent reason.
>> Absurd!
>
>OK, Markuu, I'll play along.
>
>In the eyes of the anti-gun people, you have a valid point.
>
>MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the firearms from
>the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law were
>passed?
>
After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was
declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an
unregistered or illegal weapon during that period.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gun-deaths-in-rapid-decline-since-...back/20

I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
ratio.



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"Alan S" <nothere.DeleteThis@there.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:01 -0600, "Jim Davis"
> <sky.dancer1.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku.DeleteThis@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>>news:nYftj.297192$dA7.31512@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>>
>>> "PeterL" <po.ning.DeleteThis@gmail.com> kirjoitti
>>> viestissä:ff01862a-3086-453f-8c36-399bf195d2cc@28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Thought I post this first, just to warn europeans to stay away from
>>>> northern illinois.
>>>>
>>> Well done.
>>>>
>>>> DEKALB, Ill. - A man dressed in black opened fire with a shotgun and
>>>> two handguns from a stage of a lecture hall at Northern Illinois
>>>> University on Thursday, injuring as many as 18 people, four
>>>> critically, before he killed himself, the school's president said.
>>>>
>>> I was about to broadcast this piece of news myself. Yes, it is sad that
>>> this happens almost everyday in the USA and so often at school.
>>> Americans
>>> should pull themselves together (lawmakers in particular) and collect
>>> pistols, machine guns and bazookas away from ordinary citizens. These
>>> tools don't fit the hands of ordinary people in the first place. And
>>> when
>>> Joe Smith blows up with hardware bought from the John J. Rambo
>>> supermarket, many innocent people have to die for no decent reason.
>>> Absurd!
>>
>>OK, Markuu, I'll play along.
>>
>>In the eyes of the anti-gun people, you have a valid point.
>>
>>MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the firearms
>>from
>>the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law were
>>passed?
>>
> After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
> certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
> private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was
> declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an
> unregistered or illegal weapon during that period.
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gun-deaths-in-rapid-decline-since-...back/20
>
> I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
> political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
> just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
> ratio.

I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware, but
Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The guy got
through easily, and there were no ligitiment gun carriers to try to stop
him.


> Cheers, Alan, Australia
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On 2/15/08 4:19 PM, in article qmacr350ucc7n50d5s3no9ee59liqufqmj.RemoveThis@4ax.com,
"Alan S" <nothere.RemoveThis@there.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:01 -0600, "Jim Davis"
> <sky.dancer1.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Markku Grönroos" <kurkku.RemoveThis@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>> news:nYftj.297192$dA7.31512@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>>
>>> "PeterL" <po.ning.RemoveThis@gmail.com> kirjoitti
>>>
viestissä:ff01862a-3086-453f-8c36-399bf195d2cc@28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com..>>>
..
>>>> Thought I post this first, just to warn europeans to stay away from
>>>> northern illinois.
>>>>
>>> Well done.
>>>>
>>>> DEKALB, Ill. - A man dressed in black opened fire with a shotgun and
>>>> two handguns from a stage of a lecture hall at Northern Illinois
>>>> University on Thursday, injuring as many as 18 people, four
>>>> critically, before he killed himself, the school's president said.
>>>>
>>> I was about to broadcast this piece of news myself. Yes, it is sad that
>>> this happens almost everyday in the USA and so often at school. Americans
>>> should pull themselves together (lawmakers in particular) and collect
>>> pistols, machine guns and bazookas away from ordinary citizens. These
>>> tools don't fit the hands of ordinary people in the first place. And when
>>> Joe Smith blows up with hardware bought from the John J. Rambo
>>> supermarket, many innocent people have to die for no decent reason.
>>> Absurd!
>>
>> OK, Markuu, I'll play along.
>>
>> In the eyes of the anti-gun people, you have a valid point.
>>
>> MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the firearms from
>> the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law were
>> passed?
>>
> After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
> certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
> private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was
> declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an
> unregistered or illegal weapon during that period.
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gun-deaths-in-rapid-decline-since-buyback/
> 2006/12/13/1165685752421.html
>
> I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
> political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
> just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
> ratio.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Slovenia

They've tried that here. In fact it may still be in operation. It hasn't
worked though. The guns come in from the states in payment for drugs so
while law abiding people turn theirs in, the crooks are smuggling them back
across the border faster than we can get rid of them. Unfortunately,
Vancouver and Toronto are in the midst of a gang war and of course they kill
each other with guns.
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In article <qmacr350ucc7n50d5s3no9ee59liqufqmj.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Alan S
<nothere.RemoveThis@there.com> wrote:

> >MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the firearms from
> >the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law were
> >passed?
> >
> After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
> certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
> private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was
> declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an
> unregistered or illegal weapon during that period.
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gun-deaths-in-rapid-decline-since-buyback/
> 2006/12/13/1165685752421.html

Hummm... but what about the crime rate overall ?

jay
Sat Feb 16, 2008
mailto:gofig@mac.com

>
> I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
> political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
> just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
> ratio.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Slovenia
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In news:qmacr350ucc7n50d5s3no9ee59liqufqmj@4ax.com Alan S
<nothere RemoveThis @there.com> wrote:

> After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
> certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
> private weapons from the public....
>
> I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
> political differences, the cost would be astronomical.

Did it actually "work" in Australia?

Did Australian criminals dutifully line up and turn in their guns?

Or were guns only confiscated from the law-abiding?

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sechumlib wrote:
> On 2008-02-15 11:14:01 -0500, "Jim Davis" <sky.dancer1.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> said:
>
>> MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the
>> firearms from
>> the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law
>> were
>> passed?
>
> Apparently you can't argue against doing it for any reasons other than
> nuts & bolts. That should mean something to you.
>

How could you reliably collect the many illegal firearms in the hands of
violent criminals?
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Alan S wrote:
>
>
> I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
> political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
> just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
> ratio.

Also of course, gun manufacture is big business in the USA, and nobody
messes with big business.
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Jim Davis wrote:
>
> I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware, but
> Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from
neighbouring states?
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In news:61onjbF1vgbslU3@mid.individual.net Mike O'Sullivan
<mike DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:

> Jim Davis wrote:
>>
>> I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware,
>> but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
>
> But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from
> neighbouring states?

Federal law, of course.

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Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:61onjbF1vgbslU3@mid.individual.net Mike O'Sullivan
> <mike DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim Davis wrote:
>>> I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware,
>>> but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
>> But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from
>> neighbouring states?
>
> Federal law, of course.
>
How is that enforced, border checkpoints?
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Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> Alan S wrote:
>>
>>
>> I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
>> political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
>> just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
>> ratio.
>
> Also of course, gun manufacture is big business in the USA, and
> nobody
> messes with big business.

Don't assume facts not in evidence. Smith & Wesson is British owned
and they seem determined to commit corporate suicide by getting their
products banned. Other firearms manufacturers have also been said to
be soft on gun bans.

The reason is in part that the Federal government and the state
governments have some pretty big hammers--they buy a _lot_ of guns and
lack of cooperation can mean the difference between one manufacturer
and another getting a contract.

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