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We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
But starting at pretty zero knowledge pro tem!
Any tips for base and sights?
Many thanks.

Surreyman

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, a.spencer3 wrote:

> We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
> Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.

Being there only long ago, and with a tour, plus occasional work visits,
and a more recent tour to Lipari. Some of the places I quote I've never
been but wished to go. One fact is that moving by train is quite
difficult there, and I'm not a driver. Locals use buses or cars.

If you are interested in greek archeology a must is the Temple Valley in
Agrigento. Other known sites with several temples in Selinunte and
Segesta. Actually Segesta has just one temple and a theater, but in a
rather nice isolated location (and the temple is peculiar, some say it
was built by the Elimi, a local pre-greek population ... I knew a Lincei
academician who used to say that the verb "eliminate" derives from the
name of the Elimi because they were eliminated Smile )

Other interesting greek and roman ruins in Siracusa. I've seen the Arena
and the Latomie area. I've never been to the Castello Eurialo (a greek
fortress, I've been told rather impressive), nor to the new
Archeological Museum, which also has good fame.

There are greek-roman ruins also in places like Taormina and Tindari,
but these places are more renowned for the scenery.

There is also an interesting roman villa near Piazza Armerina with lots
of mosaic (including the curiosity of the first portraits in bikini !
some 1800 years ago). Not sure of current preservation state.

There should be also interesting punic (phoenician) sites on the Egadi
islands off Trapani, but I've never been there. I've seen a museum in
Trapani, but not that impressive, while I'd recommend a visit to Erice,
an ancient town on a peak overhanging Trapani. Beware that accomodation
there might be limited, because almost alwyas fully booked for
scientific conferences at the Majorana Centre.

From Siracusa I heard one can take boat trips on river Ciane, among
papyrus vegetation. Never done that but wished to. If you just want to
see papyrus the Aretusa source on the island of Ortigia (the very centre
of Siracusa) should suffice. A sweet water source at a few meters from
the sea.

Palermo has nice monuments (Cathedral, Cappella Palatina, a couple of
moresque churches) in sort of a difficult urban environment. If you go
there a must is the nearby Norman Cathedral in Monreale with its
mosaics.

Another very nice Norman Cathedral is in Cefalu'.

Catania is essentially baroque, because it was destroyed by an eruption
of Etna. Another renowned baroque centre I've heard of but never visited
is Noto (this one was damaged by an earthquake). In the same area I've
heard also of the pre-greek necropolis of Pantalica.

I've never been to Ragusa (but it should be quite scenical, according to
what one sees in the Montalbano TV series Smile) or Modica. If you go to
Modica you must try the local chocolate, which is absolutely unlike
anything else, manual "cold" production according to old Maya recipes,
cocoa paste and sugar cane without cocoa butter. Worth every bit of it.

I've been up Etna and at the Observatory, but never did the complete
tour around the mountain with the local railway. I also never visited
the Alcantara gorges which are somewhere between Catania and Taormina,
and are said to be very nice.

If you are interested in volcanoes, you should try the Lipari islands
(also known as Eolie). Hydrofoils from Milazzo, if sea is not rough.
Usually they go to Vulcano first (which has a semi-quiescent volcano and
some hydrothermal sites) and then cross to the main island of Lipari.
You can bo back later for visits, the ferry ride is about 15 min.

The old town in Lipari is nice, and the archeological museum in the
castle quite interesting. The island is an old volcano, and touring it
you can find "pietra pomice" (a very light rock made of volcanic ashes,
density less than water) and "ossidiana" (a black vitreous lava).

There are boat tours around the islands, like Panarea (very small, with
a prehistoric site) and surrounding rocks, and Stromboli (active
volcano). These two could be done in a day from Lipari.

Farther islands, where I've not been, are Salina, Alicudi and Filicudi.

I believe I've given you enough names to do further research of your
own. I suppose either you do a tour around the island, or concentrate on
the eastern part of it.

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"Giovanni Drogo" wrote in message

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, a.spencer3 wrote:
>
> > We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
> > Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
>
> Being there only long ago, and with a tour, plus occasional work visits,
> and a more recent tour to Lipari. Some of the places I quote I've never
> been but wished to go. One fact is that moving by train is quite
> difficult there, and I'm not a driver. Locals use buses or cars.
>
> If you are interested in greek archeology a must is the Temple Valley in
> Agrigento. Other known sites with several temples in Selinunte and
> Segesta. Actually Segesta has just one temple and a theater, but in a
> rather nice isolated location (and the temple is peculiar, some say it
> was built by the Elimi, a local pre-greek population ... I knew a Lincei
> academician who used to say that the verb "eliminate" derives from the
> name of the Elimi because they were eliminated Smile )
>
> Other interesting greek and roman ruins in Siracusa. I've seen the Arena
> and the Latomie area. I've never been to the Castello Eurialo (a greek
> fortress, I've been told rather impressive), nor to the new
> Archeological Museum, which also has good fame.
>
> There are greek-roman ruins also in places like Taormina and Tindari,
> but these places are more renowned for the scenery.
>
> There is also an interesting roman villa near Piazza Armerina with lots
> of mosaic (including the curiosity of the first portraits in bikini !
> some 1800 years ago). Not sure of current preservation state.
>
> There should be also interesting punic (phoenician) sites on the Egadi
> islands off Trapani, but I've never been there. I've seen a museum in
> Trapani, but not that impressive, while I'd recommend a visit to Erice,
> an ancient town on a peak overhanging Trapani. Beware that accomodation
> there might be limited, because almost alwyas fully booked for
> scientific conferences at the Majorana Centre.
>
> From Siracusa I heard one can take boat trips on river Ciane, among
> papyrus vegetation. Never done that but wished to. If you just want to
> see papyrus the Aretusa source on the island of Ortigia (the very centre
> of Siracusa) should suffice. A sweet water source at a few meters from
> the sea.
>
> Palermo has nice monuments (Cathedral, Cappella Palatina, a couple of
> moresque churches) in sort of a difficult urban environment. If you go
> there a must is the nearby Norman Cathedral in Monreale with its
> mosaics.
>
> Another very nice Norman Cathedral is in Cefalu'.
>
> Catania is essentially baroque, because it was destroyed by an eruption
> of Etna. Another renowned baroque centre I've heard of but never visited
> is Noto (this one was damaged by an earthquake). In the same area I've
> heard also of the pre-greek necropolis of Pantalica.
>
> I've never been to Ragusa (but it should be quite scenical, according to
> what one sees in the Montalbano TV series Smile) or Modica. If you go to
> Modica you must try the local chocolate, which is absolutely unlike
> anything else, manual "cold" production according to old Maya recipes,
> cocoa paste and sugar cane without cocoa butter. Worth every bit of it.
>
> I've been up Etna and at the Observatory, but never did the complete
> tour around the mountain with the local railway. I also never visited
> the Alcantara gorges which are somewhere between Catania and Taormina,
> and are said to be very nice.
>
> If you are interested in volcanoes, you should try the Lipari islands
> (also known as Eolie). Hydrofoils from Milazzo, if sea is not rough.
> Usually they go to Vulcano first (which has a semi-quiescent volcano and
> some hydrothermal sites) and then cross to the main island of Lipari.
> You can bo back later for visits, the ferry ride is about 15 min.
>
> The old town in Lipari is nice, and the archeological museum in the
> castle quite interesting. The island is an old volcano, and touring it
> you can find "pietra pomice" (a very light rock made of volcanic ashes,
> density less than water) and "ossidiana" (a black vitreous lava).
>
> There are boat tours around the islands, like Panarea (very small, with
> a prehistoric site) and surrounding rocks, and Stromboli (active
> volcano). These two could be done in a day from Lipari.
>
> Farther islands, where I've not been, are Salina, Alicudi and Filicudi.
>
> I believe I've given you enough names to do further research of your
> own. I suppose either you do a tour around the island, or concentrate on
> the eastern part of it.
>

That's superb stuff - many thanks indeed to you for your trouble.

Surreyman
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On 2008-02-14 12:50:06 +0000, "a.spencer3" said:

> We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
> Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
> But starting at pretty zero knowledge pro tem!
> Any tips for base and sights?
> Many thanks.
>
> Surreyman

Sicily is really really cool.

Check out my Sicily page for a few ideas.

http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda/Sicily2004/Menu211.html

I have a small number of my panorama and walk-around sequences composed
and posted at that link, in addition to a few photos.

If you want archeology, then Agrigento is not to be missed. It has a
large number of temples along a ridge south of the modern city. To the
north of those temples is a really nice museum.

A close second is Selinunte. Well, maybe it is first, and Agrigento is
second. Selinunte not only has a large number of temples, but all
kinds of crazy remains of the later city as well, really evocative
stuff.... and on the far side there is a path to a few more ruins. If
you really love the history of this kind of thing, you can easily spend
all day long there.

In the Palazzo Abatellis, turned into an art museum, I got a great book
called Greeks In Sicily. Look for something like that. It's a great
little way to not only identify places but also give you some
background.

Warning note: whoop whoop whoop! if you visit Himera (cool Temple of
Nike right along the round, north coast), note that the Sicilian man
indicating that you need to buy a ticket isn't a scammer or a mafioso
-- there really is a museum up the hill near more (less impressive)
ruins, and the ticket there includes viewing the temple down the hill
alongside the road... I was a little scam-weary near the end of my
two-week trip and uhh, well, let's just say that my accidental
"discovery" of the fenced off "undocumented ruins" didn't go unnoticed
by the legitimate museum staff.
--
Dan Stephenson
Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda

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"Dan Stephenson" wrote in message

> On 2008-02-14 12:50:06 +0000, "a.spencer3" said:
>
> > We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
> > Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
> > But starting at pretty zero knowledge pro tem!
> > Any tips for base and sights?
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > Surreyman
>
> Sicily is really really cool.
>
> Check out my Sicily page for a few ideas.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda/Sicily2004/Menu211.html
>
> I have a small number of my panorama and walk-around sequences composed
> and posted at that link, in addition to a few photos.
>
> If you want archeology, then Agrigento is not to be missed. It has a
> large number of temples along a ridge south of the modern city. To the
> north of those temples is a really nice museum.
>
> A close second is Selinunte. Well, maybe it is first, and Agrigento is
> second. Selinunte not only has a large number of temples, but all
> kinds of crazy remains of the later city as well, really evocative
> stuff.... and on the far side there is a path to a few more ruins. If
> you really love the history of this kind of thing, you can easily spend
> all day long there.
>
> In the Palazzo Abatellis, turned into an art museum, I got a great book
> called Greeks In Sicily. Look for something like that. It's a great
> little way to not only identify places but also give you some
> background.
>
> Warning note: whoop whoop whoop! if you visit Himera (cool Temple of
> Nike right along the round, north coast), note that the Sicilian man
> indicating that you need to buy a ticket isn't a scammer or a mafioso
> -- there really is a museum up the hill near more (less impressive)
> ruins, and the ticket there includes viewing the temple down the hill
> alongside the road... I was a little scam-weary near the end of my
> two-week trip and uhh, well, let's just say that my accidental
> "discovery" of the fenced off "undocumented ruins" didn't go unnoticed
> by the legitimate museum staff.
> --
> Dan Stephenson
> Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
> http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
>
> (remove nospam from email address to reply via email)
>

Good stuff - many thanks!

Surreyman
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On 2008-02-14 06:50:06 -0600, "a.spencer3" said:

> We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
> Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
> But starting at pretty zero knowledge pro tem!
> Any tips for base and sights?
> Many thanks.
>
> Surreyman

If you want archeology, then Sicily is the place for you.

There is a book called Greeks in Sicily. Look for it.. I found it
while I was there, in a touristic bookshop attached to the Piazza
Abatellis.

Let's see what Amazon turns up... well of course it doesn't turn up.

The temple of Segesta and the spectacularly set theatre are about all
that you can see of Segesta these days, but the setting is so amazing I
definitely recommend it.

The series of temples and a great museum make Agrigento also a
must-see. Some of the temples there are very impressive, even if in
tumbles. In the largest, a (thin) man could fit inside the fluting of
the columns!

But my favorite, more than Himera, Syracuse, Taorimina, and all the
rest, is Selenunte. It has large impressive temples, but also a large,
largely un-excavated, city. Walking through the streets with the
buildings themselves a big pile of rubble, is really evocative.

That's for the Greek/pre-Greek stuff.

If you are into mosaics, there is some in Palermo to the east of the
cathedral, but the best stuff by far is in the imperial villa outsie
Piazza Amerina, Villa Romana del Casale.

Later,
--
Dan Stephenson
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http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda

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Dan Stephenson wrote:

> There is a book called Greeks in Sicily. Look for it.. I found it while
> I was there, in a touristic bookshop attached to the Piazza Abatellis.

9 different copies for varying prices at <http://used.addall.com/>

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"Dan Stephenson" wrote in message

> On 2008-02-14 06:50:06 -0600, "a.spencer3" said:
>
> > We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
> > Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
> > But starting at pretty zero knowledge pro tem!
> > Any tips for base and sights?
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > Surreyman
>
> If you want archeology, then Sicily is the place for you.
>
> There is a book called Greeks in Sicily. Look for it.. I found it
> while I was there, in a touristic bookshop attached to the Piazza
> Abatellis.
>
> Let's see what Amazon turns up... well of course it doesn't turn up.
>
> The temple of Segesta and the spectacularly set theatre are about all
> that you can see of Segesta these days, but the setting is so amazing I
> definitely recommend it.
>
> The series of temples and a great museum make Agrigento also a
> must-see. Some of the temples there are very impressive, even if in
> tumbles. In the largest, a (thin) man could fit inside the fluting of
> the columns!
>
> But my favorite, more than Himera, Syracuse, Taorimina, and all the
> rest, is Selenunte. It has large impressive temples, but also a large,
> largely un-excavated, city. Walking through the streets with the
> buildings themselves a big pile of rubble, is really evocative.
>
> That's for the Greek/pre-Greek stuff.
>
> If you are into mosaics, there is some in Palermo to the east of the
> cathedral, but the best stuff by far is in the imperial villa outsie
> Piazza Amerina, Villa Romana del Casale.
>

Very good stuff - thanks!
(And OT stuff for a change, too!)

Surreyman
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On 2008-03-23 05:54:03 -0500, "a.spencer3" said:

>
> "Dan Stephenson" wrote in message
>
>> On 2008-02-14 06:50:06 -0600, "a.spencer3" said:
>>
>>> We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
>>> Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
>>> But starting at pretty zero knowledge pro tem!
>>> Any tips for base and sights?
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Surreyman
>>
>> If you want archeology, then Sicily is the place for you.
>>
>> There is a book called Greeks in Sicily. Look for it.. I found it
>> while I was there, in a touristic bookshop attached to the Piazza
>> Abatellis.


>> [...]


> Very good stuff - thanks!
> (And OT stuff for a change, too!)
>
> Surreyman

Alright, I *found* my copy of Greeks In Sicily.

Greeks in Sicily
Lorena Jannelli - Fausto Longo
Publisher: Arsenale Editrice
http://www.arsenale.it/
ISBN 88-7743-298-5

You can go search on Greeks in Sicily on their web page to get it..
although when I try it says Servizio temporaneamente sospeso, and I
think you can figure out what that means...

good luck, Sicily is an amazing place

--
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Dan Stephenson wrote:
> On 2008-03-23 05:54:03 -0500, "a.spencer3" said:
>
>>
>> "Dan Stephenson" wrote in message
>>
>>> On 2008-02-14 06:50:06 -0600, "a.spencer3"
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> We're thinking of 2 weeks in Sicily around September.
>>>> Mainly for archaeology sites and Etna.
>>>> But starting at pretty zero knowledge pro tem!
>>>> Any tips for base and sights?
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Surreyman
>>>
>>> If you want archeology, then Sicily is the place for you.
>>>
>>> There is a book called Greeks in Sicily. Look for it.. I found it
>>> while I was there, in a touristic bookshop attached to the Piazza
>>> Abatellis.
>
>
>>> [...]
>
>
>> Very good stuff - thanks!
>> (And OT stuff for a change, too!)
>>
>> Surreyman
>
> Alright, I *found* my copy of Greeks In Sicily.
>
> Greeks in Sicily
> Lorena Jannelli - Fausto Longo
> Publisher: Arsenale Editrice
> http://www.arsenale.it/
> ISBN 88-7743-298-5
>
> You can go search on Greeks in Sicily on their web page to get it..
> although when I try it says Servizio temporaneamente sospeso, and I
> think you can figure out what that means...
>
> good luck, Sicily is an amazing place
>


What was the original price?

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On 2008-03-23 16:11:10 -0500, jeremy said:

> Dan Stephenson wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Alright, I *found* my copy of Greeks In Sicily.
>>
>> Greeks in Sicily
>> Lorena Jannelli - Fausto Longo
>> Publisher: Arsenale Editrice
>> http://www.arsenale.it/
>> ISBN 88-7743-298-5
>>
>> You can go search on Greeks in Sicily on their web page to get it..
>> although when I try it says Servizio temporaneamente sospeso, and I
>> think you can figure out what that means...
>>
>> good luck, Sicily is an amazing place
>>
>
>
> What was the original price?
>
> JJ

The book doesn't have a price on it, but things like that go for 10-15 euros.

A great investment.

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