Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel

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> Saturday February 2, 08:36 AM
> Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
>
> By Sky News
> http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/02022008/140/super-jumbo-takes-using-green-fuel.html
>
> The Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger aircraft, has become
> the first commercial plane to fly on "green" fuel.
>
> The super-plane is flying from the UK to France on a synthetic fuel,
> developed using gas to liquid (GTL) technology.
>
> The
> (Advertisement)
> plane, which seats 555 passengers, took off for a three-hour test
> flight between Filton, in Bristol, and Toulouse.
>
> Sjoerd Post, vice president of Shell Aviation, which developed the
> fuel, said he hoped the plane would eventually run on even greener bio-
> fuels made from sustainable plant matter.
>
> But according to projections released by Airbus, that would be by 2020
> at the earliest.
>
> Mr Post said: "After more than 30 years of development and a decade of
> operations, we are now building, together with Qatar Petroleum, the
> world scale Pearl GTL plant in Qatar.
>
> "In our drive for cleaner fuels, GTL technology can help reduce local
> emissions and encourage sustainable mobility."
>
>
>
> Airbus president and CEO Tom Enders said: "Fuel and energy are key
> challenges aviation is facing and for which technology and
> international research collaboration open up new horizons.
>
> "Our alternative fuels roadmap requires innovation, diversity of ideas
> and options that need to be explored."
>
> Sebastien Remy, head of Airbus' alternative fuels programme, said:
> "The age of easy energy is over."
>
> Mr Remy said GTL was better than traditional kerosene jet fuel because
> it did not deplete the world's oil supply.
>
> It produces less emissions of local pollutants, like carbon monoxide,
> and hydrocarbons, and is virtually free of sulphur.
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> >news:228a3ca3-24a5-41b5-9ba3-77dad2fd5bf1@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> Saturday February 2, 08:36 AM
> >> Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
>
> >> By Sky News
> >>http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/02022008/140/super-jumbo-takes-using-green-
> fuel.
> >> html
>
> >> The Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger aircraft, has become
> >> the first commercial plane to fly on "green" fuel.
>
> >> The super-plane is flying from the UK to France on a synthetic fuel,
> >> developed using gas to liquid (GTL) technology.
>
> >> The
> >> (Advertisement)
> >> plane, which seats 555 passengers, took off for a three-hour test
> >> flight between Filton, in Bristol, and Toulouse.
>
> >> Sjoerd Post, vice president of Shell Aviation, which developed the
> >> fuel, said he hoped the plane would eventually run on even greener bio-
> >> fuels made from sustainable plant matter.
>
> >> But according to projections released by Airbus, that would be by 2020
> >> at the earliest.
>
> >> Mr Post said: "After more than 30 years of development and a decade of
> >> operations, we are now building, together with Qatar Petroleum, the
> >> world scale Pearl GTL plant in Qatar.
>
> >> "In our drive for cleaner fuels, GTL technology can help reduce local
> >> emissions and encourage sustainable mobility."
>
> >> Airbus president and CEO Tom Enders said: "Fuel and energy are key
> >> challenges aviation is facing and for which technology and
> >> international research collaboration open up new horizons.
>
> >> "Our alternative fuels roadmap requires innovation, diversity of ideas
> >> and options that need to be explored."
>
> >> Sebastien Remy, head of Airbus' alternative fuels programme, said:
> >> "The age of easy energy is over."
>
> >> Mr Remy said GTL was better than traditional kerosene jet fuel because
> >> it did not deplete the world's oil supply.
>
> >> It produces less emissions of local pollutants, like carbon monoxide,
> >> and hydrocarbons, and is virtually free of sulphur.
>
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Chocolate Sandwich wrote:
> Saturday February 2, 08:36 AM
> Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
>
> By Sky News
> http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/02022008/140/super-jumbo-takes-using-green-fuel.html
>
> The Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger aircraft, has become
> the first commercial plane to fly on "green" fuel.

What is the cost per barrel equivalent of this fuel?
Airlines aren't doing so great with the current fuel prices they pay.
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Mr. Travel wrote:
> Chocolate Sandwich wrote:
>> Saturday February 2, 08:36 AM
>> Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
>>
>> By Sky News
>> http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/02022008/140/super-jumbo-takes-using-green-fuel.html
>>
>> The Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger aircraft, has become
>> the first commercial plane to fly on "green" fuel.
>
> What is the cost per barrel equivalent of this fuel?
> Airlines aren't doing so great with the current fuel prices they pay.

A small correction to the Sky story, only one of the four engines used
'green fuel', all four on a test flight being considered somewhat
risky..

I think the interest of the thing is perhaps less the cost of the fuel
but rather more the independence it gives, no more relying on unstable
oil-producing countries and constantly fluctuating prices.
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On the particular moment of Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:02:22 +0100 in relation
to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "John of Aix"
<j.murphy.RemoveThis@libertysurf.fr> put forth:

>A small correction to the Sky story, only one of the four engines used
>'green fuel', all four on a test flight being considered somewhat
>risky..
>
>I think the interest of the thing is perhaps less the cost of the fuel
>but rather more the independence it gives, no more relying on unstable
>oil-producing countries and constantly fluctuating prices.

The notion of 'green fuel' is ridiculous. It's like saying low tar
cigarettes are healthy.
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:48:26 +0100, Dusty Furtile Morrocan
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>On the particular moment of Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:02:22 +0100 in relation
>to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "John of Aix"
><j.murphy DeleteThis @libertysurf.fr> put forth:
>
>>A small correction to the Sky story, only one of the four engines used
>>'green fuel', all four on a test flight being considered somewhat
>>risky..
>>
>>I think the interest of the thing is perhaps less the cost of the fuel
>>but rather more the independence it gives, no more relying on unstable
>>oil-producing countries and constantly fluctuating prices.
>
>The notion of 'green fuel' is ridiculous. It's like saying low tar
>cigarettes are healthy.

Depends. For example, ethanol produced from crops is at
least renewable. There are shades of grey here, not all
black and white.


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"Alan S" <nothere.DeleteThis@there.com> wrote...


>
> Depends. For example, ethanol produced from crops is at
> least renewable. There are shades of grey here, not all
> black and white.
>
>

Grey? Any greyer and ethanol would be midnight black!

First, the fertilizer used for most of the crops used to produce ethanol
comes from, you guessed it, traditional petrochemical processes....

From combines in the cornrows to the trucks hauling the corn to the elevator
and on to the ethanol plant, the fuel burned may have a little ethanol
added, no more than 15%, but the rest comes from the well head.

Then there's the matter of the distillation of ethanol...Fossil Fuels, mate!

As for jet fuel from "gas", that's pretty easy (although expensive as Hell!)
from natural gas, but NG is hardly "Green". simply less of a polluter. The
WWII era German processes for producing high octane AVGAS from coal remain
for those who putter about college labs, simply too expensive, even for
compounds useful for jet fuel, to contemplate (and vast energy hogs to
produce).

You've obviously bought the whole ethanol conjob, not seeing that the
"profit", most of which goes to extremely large corporations like ADM and
Cargill, comes for tax breaks, and meanwhile throughout countries like
Mexico, where corn is "The Staff of Life", families go hungry as corn (and
tortilla) prices soar.

Then there's Brazil using sugar cane. You do understand that along with
needing fertilizer from fossil fuels, sugar cane can only be grown on the
same "patch" for a near finite number of crops? The only way Brazil will
keep up with its fuel needs is by cutting down more rainforests to plant
more cane/sorghums.

Well, there's always restaurant grease to fuel the Jack in the Box Airline's
Airbus 380s hauling starving families from Mexico to Oz after we finish
building the fence, likely to be even less effective that Australian fencing
projects.

TMO
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> Meanwhile, why in the world we seem to ignore the potential of nuclear power
> plants (or so burden their develop with added costs) continues to amaze me.
>
> TMO

have you moved to Windscale yet ?
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POST WITH CORRECTION
>
> Interesting analysis and on target.
>
> I had to laugh loudly at "Dusty's" cheap panels. I see nobody has
> bothered to acquaint him with the harsher side of reality, that even
> CORRECTION: few if any of today's expensive solar panels actually produce
> electricity at a rare sufficient enough to recover costs of purchase and
> installation in most environments.
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> All those diesel trucks and railroad engines exist because of a well kept
> secret, "durability, service lives exceeding cost recovery periods.
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> power plants (or so burden their develop with added costs) continues to
> amaze me.
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:16:13 -0600, "TMOliver"
<tmoliverjrFIX.RemoveThis@hot.rr.comFIX> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" <nothere.RemoveThis@there.com> wrote...
>
>
>>
>> Depends. For example, ethanol produced from crops is at
>> least renewable. There are shades of grey here, not all
>> black and white.
>>
>>
>
>Grey? Any greyer and ethanol would be midnight black!
>
>First, the fertilizer used for most of the crops used to produce ethanol
>comes from, you guessed it, traditional petrochemical processes....
>
>From combines in the cornrows to the trucks hauling the corn to the elevator
>and on to the ethanol plant, the fuel burned may have a little ethanol
>added, no more than 15%, but the rest comes from the well head.
>
>Then there's the matter of the distillation of ethanol...Fossil Fuels, mate!
>
>As for jet fuel from "gas", that's pretty easy (although expensive as Hell!)
>from natural gas, but NG is hardly "Green". simply less of a polluter. The
>WWII era German processes for producing high octane AVGAS from coal remain
>for those who putter about college labs, simply too expensive, even for
>compounds useful for jet fuel, to contemplate (and vast energy hogs to
>produce).
>
>You've obviously bought the whole ethanol conjob, not seeing that the
>"profit", most of which goes to extremely large corporations like ADM and
>Cargill, comes for tax breaks, and meanwhile throughout countries like
>Mexico, where corn is "The Staff of Life", families go hungry as corn (and
>tortilla) prices soar.
>
>Then there's Brazil using sugar cane. You do understand that along with
>needing fertilizer from fossil fuels, sugar cane can only be grown on the
>same "patch" for a near finite number of crops? The only way Brazil will
>keep up with its fuel needs is by cutting down more rainforests to plant
>more cane/sorghums.
>
>Well, there's always restaurant grease to fuel the Jack in the Box Airline's
>Airbus 380s hauling starving families from Mexico to Oz after we finish
>building the fence, likely to be even less effective that Australian fencing
>projects.
>
>TMO
>
You read a lot more into my comment than was said. I haven't
"bought" anything.

And, while I am not part of the sugar industry, I live next
to canefields that have been monocultures for well over a
century in rich flood-plains, as are most of this country's
canefields.

You seem to have a rather large bee in your bonnet. As a
matter of interest, what solution are you proposing to fuel
the A380 and it's successors? Solar panels? Wind turbines?
Yeah, right.


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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:51:02 -0600, "TMOliver"
<tmoliverjrFIX RemoveThis @hot.rr.comFIX> wrote:

>
>Meanwhile, why in the world we seem to ignore the potential of nuclear power
>plants (or so burden their develop with added costs) continues to amaze me.
>
>TMO
>
On that we agree; however, I doubt it will ever fuel an
aircraft.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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"TMOliver" <tmoliverjrFIX.TakeThisOut@hot.rr.comFIX> wrote in message
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> Meanwhile, why in the world we seem to ignore the potential of nuclear
> power plants (or so burden their develop with added costs) continues to
> amaze me.

I notice Her Majesty's Government has decided that nuclear power is a 'good
thing' once again and the UK will start building new nuclear power stations
in the not too distant future.

France, of course, was always keen on them.

India wants to build loads but wants nuclear weapons as well, and so isn't
allowed to buy them.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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TMOliver wrote:

>
> Well, there's always restaurant grease to fuel the Jack in the Box Airline's
> Airbus 380s hauling starving families from Mexico to Oz after we finish
> building the fence, likely to be even less effective that Australian fencing
> projects.

Well, rabbits are a bit hard to keep fenced in.
At least the fence helped those nice children find their way home.
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