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Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>
>
>>TSA permits canes, but prohibits golf clubs and hockey sticks.
>>What's the logic. If a hockey stick is a potential weapon, why not a cane?
>
>
> I challenge anyone to swing a hockey stick on a crowded airplane...
>

The point is why is a cane permitted, but not a hockey stick or golf
club? Security wise, what is the difference?
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In message Larry in AZ
wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>
>> The point is why is a cane permitted, but not a hockey stick or golf
>> club? Security wise, what is the difference?
>
>Canes are generally needed by people with a physical disability. Of course,
>one could argue that anyone can fake that, but what's the point..? None of
>the above are decent weapons within the tight confines of an airliner.

So?

You don't need to fake it, if you want a cane just fool some old coot
into taking a free flight for some reason, he will naturally bring his
cane, then forcibly borrow his cane on the flight.

From a security point of view, either an item IS a risk and should not
be allowed on at all, under any circumstances, or an item is NOT a risk,
in which case anyone can bring on any quantity they desire.

(Obviously there are other factors which limit the quantities of certain
other components being transported -- I am speaking strictly from a
security point of view)
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In message Larry in AZ
wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>
>> TSA permits canes, but prohibits golf clubs and hockey sticks.
>> What's the logic. If a hockey stick is a potential weapon, why not a cane?
>
>I challenge anyone to swing a hockey stick on a crowded airplane...

Indeed. A broken bottle will be of far more use, and is provided on the
plane up in business/first class.
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:26:04 -0800, "Mr. Travel" wrote:

>Larry in AZ wrote:
>> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>>
>>
>>>TSA permits canes, but prohibits golf clubs and hockey sticks.
>>>What's the logic. If a hockey stick is a potential weapon, why not a cane?
>>
>>
>> I challenge anyone to swing a hockey stick on a crowded airplane...
>>
>
>The point is why is a cane permitted, but not a hockey stick or golf
>club? Security wise, what is the difference?

Ancient octogenarians tend to be the cane users, while toothless
Canadanians tend to be the hockey players,
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Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>
>
>>Larry in AZ wrote:
>>
>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>TSA permits canes, but prohibits golf clubs and hockey sticks.
>>>>What's the logic. If a hockey stick is a potential weapon, why not a cane?
>>>
>>>
>>>I challenge anyone to swing a hockey stick on a crowded airplane...
>>>
>>
>>The point is why is a cane permitted, but not a hockey stick or golf
>>club? Security wise, what is the difference?
>
>
> Canes are generally needed by people with a physical disability.

So?
Either an item is a weapon or it isn't a weapon.
A stick-like item is either a weapon or not.
Just because there is a medical need for canes doesn't make canes less
of a security risk than a hockey stick or pool cue.

It's like liquids.

Certain people can carry more than liquids than others through security.
I am not arguing whether or not people with medical issues or young
children should be permitted liquids. The point is that if it is a
security risk if carried airside, then it is a security risk no matter
who carries it.
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"Mr. Travel" wrote...
> Larry in AZ wrote:
>> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>>
>>
>>>TSA permits canes, but prohibits golf clubs and hockey sticks.
>>>What's the logic. If a hockey stick is a potential weapon, why not a
>>>cane?
>>
>>
>> I challenge anyone to swing a hockey stick on a crowded airplane...
>>
>
> The point is why is a cane permitted, but not a hockey stick or golf club?
> Security wise, what is the difference?

Whilst US domestic carriers are not subject to full application of every bit
of the Americans with Disabilities Act, when it comes to items such as
"medical and prosthetic devices" and guide/assistance dogs, they are.
Beyond asking every one showing up in line with one for a prescription or
doctor's letter, the TSA and the airlines have to allow canes just as they
do "walkers", peglegs, artificial hands with steel pincers or hooks, etc.
While wheelchairs may be kept out of the cabin, canes and stainless steel
false teeth with sharp edges are free to board!

TMO
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TMOliver wrote:
> "Mr. Travel" wrote...
>
>>Larry in AZ wrote:
>>
>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>TSA permits canes, but prohibits golf clubs and hockey sticks.
>>>>What's the logic. If a hockey stick is a potential weapon, why not a
>>>>cane?
>>>
>>>
>>>I challenge anyone to swing a hockey stick on a crowded airplane...
>>>
>>
>>The point is why is a cane permitted, but not a hockey stick or golf club?
>>Security wise, what is the difference?
>
>
> Whilst US domestic carriers are not subject to full application of every bit
> of the Americans with Disabilities Act, when it comes to items such as
> "medical and prosthetic devices" and guide/assistance dogs, they are.
> Beyond asking every one showing up in line with one for a prescription or
> doctor's letter, the TSA and the airlines have to allow canes just as they
> do "walkers", peglegs, artificial hands with steel pincers or hooks, etc.
> While wheelchairs may be kept out of the cabin, canes and stainless steel
> false teeth with sharp edges are free to board!

I am not talking about domestic carriers and ADA, I am talking about TSA
restrictions. If is a security threat, it doesn't matter who brings it
past security. Note that I am not saying I believe these items are a
security threat, only that a hockey stick or pool cue are not any more
of a threat than a cane.
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"Mr. Travel" wrote in message

> TMOliver wrote:
>> "Mr. Travel" wrote...
>>
>>>Larry in AZ wrote:
>>>
>>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, "Mr. Travel" said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>TSA permits canes, but prohibits golf clubs and hockey sticks.
>>>>>What's the logic. If a hockey stick is a potential weapon, why not a
>>>>>cane?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I challenge anyone to swing a hockey stick on a crowded airplane...
>>>>
>>>
>>>The point is why is a cane permitted, but not a hockey stick or golf
>>>club? Security wise, what is the difference?
>>
>>
>> Whilst US domestic carriers are not subject to full application of every
>> bit of the Americans with Disabilities Act, when it comes to items such
>> as "medical and prosthetic devices" and guide/assistance dogs, they are.
>> Beyond asking every one showing up in line with one for a prescription or
>> doctor's letter, the TSA and the airlines have to allow canes just as
>> they do "walkers", peglegs, artificial hands with steel pincers or hooks,
>> etc. While wheelchairs may be kept out of the cabin, canes and stainless
>> steel false teeth with sharp edges are free to board!
>
> I am not talking about domestic carriers and ADA, I am talking about TSA
> restrictions. If is a security threat, it doesn't matter who brings it
> past security. Note that I am not saying I believe these items are a
> security threat, only that a hockey stick or pool cue are not any more of
> a threat than a cane.

The TSA (subject to existing federal law in the form of the ADA) may not
prohibit the carrying aboard of any device or life-assistance material
prescribed for or utilized by a person with a disability (as recognized in
law). About the only exception that comes to mind are oxygen bottles,
proscribed for safety reasons by the airlines except in exceptions as the
airlines may make. Your steel mechanical claw/artificial hand may violate
TSA rules, but can't be prohibited by the TSA or the airline..

On the other hand the TSA may confiscate the knob and blade from your sword
cane, but leave you the stick (or keelhaul your ass for trying to sneak it
aboard). If your psychiatrist prescribes a hockey stick for you to carry as
an emotional crutch, I suppose you had better take a copy of the
prescription to the airport. Let us know how you come out!

TMO



TOM
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TMOliver wrote:
>
> The TSA (subject to existing federal law in the form of the ADA) may not
> prohibit the carrying aboard of any device or life-assistance material
> prescribed for or utilized by a person with a disability (as recognized in
> law).

When did ADA start applying to commercial aircraft flights or security
issues?
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"Mr. Travel" wrote in message

> TMOliver wrote:
>>
>> The TSA (subject to existing federal law in the form of the ADA) may not
>> prohibit the carrying aboard of any device or life-assistance material
>> prescribed for or utilized by a person with a disability (as recognized
>> in law).
>
> When did ADA start applying to commercial aircraft flights or security
> issues?
>

The moment it became law in the case of security issues.....

Just what makes you think ADA doesn't apply to the TSA? Every other portion
of the US Code covering discrimination does. One quick example....Every TSA
security gate must have an alternate access method for the wheelchair
bound.... Another: TSA persdonnel may not bar your guide dog from leading
you through the electronic portal, metal in his /her harness or not.

A. I have not claimed that it applied to airline flights.

B. ADA applies to the TSA in the same fashion that it applies to every
other federal agency, your local airport and you. The airlines have an
exemption by specific regulation from certain portions of the Act. If you
feel that your rights as a disabled person have been transgressed by the
evil malefactors of TSA, you have both civil and punitive administrative
remedies. I'm not quite sure how HSA would react to a claim that TSA had
violated portions of the Act in the occurrence and manner of their
discrimination against you, but you could certainly make a case of it.

Obviously, any recovery would be ex post facto.
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