UA $75 paper ticket fee. What the &@#$!!!!

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>> Hi again all
>>
>> I just found out from my friend that has been making all of our travel
>> plans through American Express on the internet for our Hawaiian trip
>> that I owe him $75 above the ticket price/taxes. He says that United
>> charges $75 for paper tickets. My reply is that I am fine e-ticket and
>> don't think I should have to pay him for the outrageous fee. His
>> response is that United in the past has had problems finding his e-
>> ticket reservation and so he now always gets a paper ticket. I don't
>> fly that often, but when I seem to have no problems with my
>> reservation and I always have an e-ticket.
>>
>> Do any of you select paper tickets instead on electronic ones and why?
>> Do any of you have problems with United or other airlines finding your
>> reservations when you have an e-ticket?
>>
>> HBS
>
> I fly all of the US Domestic air lines. I have never had a paper ticket,
> and have never had a problem with electronic tickets.
>

Never, ever, had a paper ticket? You *are* young!
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>> <hotbistud RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Hi again all
>>>
>>> I just found out from my friend that has been making all of our travel
>>> plans through American Express on the internet for our Hawaiian trip
>>> that I owe him $75 above the ticket price/taxes. He says that United
>>> charges $75 for paper tickets. My reply is that I am fine e-ticket and
>>> don't think I should have to pay him for the outrageous fee. His
>>> response is that United in the past has had problems finding his e-
>>> ticket reservation and so he now always gets a paper ticket. I don't
>>> fly that often, but when I seem to have no problems with my
>>> reservation and I always have an e-ticket.
>>>
>>> Do any of you select paper tickets instead on electronic ones and why?
>>> Do any of you have problems with United or other airlines finding your
>>> reservations when you have an e-ticket?
>>>
>>> HBS
>>
>> I fly all of the US Domestic air lines. I have never had a paper ticket,
>> and have never had a problem with electronic tickets.
>>
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> Never, ever, had a paper ticket?

I guess I was too hasty in my answer. It's been so long since I've seen a
paper ticket, it never entered my mind when I answered.

>You *are* young!

Damn! I wish I was.
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>Do any of you select paper tickets instead on electronic ones and why?

Good lord, no.

>Do any of you have problems with United or other airlines finding your
>reservations when you have an e-ticket?

Nope. I usually print out the receipt and bring it along so I have
the locator code and itinerary just in case, but it's been a very long
time since I've had to use it to check in.

By the way, aren't paper tickets going away completely sometime in the
next year?
 >> Stay informed about: UA $75 paper ticket fee. What the &@#$!!!! 

hotbistud.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hi again all
>
> I just found out from my friend that has been making all of our travel
> plans through American Express on the internet for our Hawaiian trip
> that I owe him $75 above the ticket price/taxes. He says that United
> charges $75 for paper tickets. My reply is that I am fine e-ticket and
> don't think I should have to pay him for the outrageous fee. His
> response is that United in the past has had problems finding his e-
> ticket reservation and so he now always gets a paper ticket. I don't
> fly that often, but when I seem to have no problems with my
> reservation and I always have an e-ticket.
>
> Do any of you select paper tickets instead on electronic ones and why?
> Do any of you have problems with United or other airlines finding your
> reservations when you have an e-ticket?
>
> HBS

Why you would let such a person make travel arrangements?
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John Levine wrote:

>>Do any of you select paper tickets instead on electronic ones and why?
>
>
> Good lord, no.
>

I agree.
In fact, passengers are far more likely to lose a paper ticket that
airlines are to lose an electronic ticket.
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"Larry in AZ" <usenet2 DeleteThis @DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
> "Jim Davis" <sky.dancer1 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> said:
>> "Graham Harrison" wrote:
>>> Never, ever, had a paper ticket?

>> I guess I was too hasty in my answer. It's been so long since I've
>> seen a paper ticket, it never entered my mind when I answered.

> Likewise. I don't think I've held a paper ticket within the past 7-8
> years.
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Our last time was three years ago. Expedia sent us tickets for a flight
in Italy (Venice to Rome). But then, AirOne's flight schedule changed,
so the printed flight # did not even exist.. we had to get them rewritten
at the Venice airport. For me, e-tkts are far more preferable.
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>
> By the way, aren't paper tickets going away completely sometime in the
> next year?
>

Yes, and no!

IATA will stop supplying paper tickets to agencies in the middle of the
year. However, the airlines will continue to issue some paper because
there are (less that 1 percent) transactions that can't be done on an ET.
e.g. ET are limited by decree to 16 flight coupons so if you want a ticket
with more than 16 coupons you get paper.
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On Feb 11, 2:48 pm, hotbis....RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi again all
>
> I just found out from my friend that has been making all of our travel
> plans through American Express on the internet for our Hawaiian trip
> that I owe him $75 above the ticket price/taxes. He says that United
> charges $75 for paper tickets. My reply is that I am fine e-ticket and
> don't think I should have to pay him for the outrageous fee. His
> response is that United in the past has had problems finding his e-
> ticket reservation and so he now always gets a paper ticket. I don't
> fly that often, but when I seem to have no problems with my
> reservation and I always have an e-ticket.
>
> Do any of you select paper tickets instead on electronic ones and why?
> Do any of you have problems with United or other airlines finding your
> reservations when you have an e-ticket?


Although I can understand your friends concerns, I'm afraid in
this day
and age, the paper ticket isn't all that much of a benefit. If your
reservation
isn't in the computer, as far as the airline is concerned, it doesn't
exist.
Paper tickets these days aren't much more than receipts. Yes, in the
dispute with everyone (days later) trying to get your money back,
they can have value. And I suppose one might still be able to use
them to "buy" tickets on another airline if they were full fare and
refundable
and all. But the most important thing on the paper ticket will be the
locator
number (possible some other things like a ticket number that our
billing
department always wants). You don't need paper tickets to get most of
this stuff. The printed itinerary always seems to have everything
I've needed
when there was a problem.
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:54:25 -0800 (PST), me
<oconnell.TakeThisOut@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:

>On Feb 11, 2:48=A0pm, hotbis....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi again all
>>
>> I just found out from my friend that has been making all of our travel
>> plans through American Express on the internet for our Hawaiian trip
>> that I owe him $75 above the ticket price/taxes. He says that United

> Although I can understand your friends concerns, I'm afraid in
>this day
>and age, the paper ticket isn't all that much of a benefit. If your
>reservation
>isn't in the computer, as far as the airline is concerned, it doesn't
>exist.
>Paper tickets these days aren't much more than receipts.

Hi

The last few times I have flown on a paper ticket, the check-in desk
has just torn them up and printed out another one - presumably by
retrieving the reservation number from their computer.

That being the case, a paper ticket is a waste of time anyway; you may
as well just turn up at the check-in and tell them the reservation
(i.e. e-ticket) number yourself.

Regards


KGB
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In article <fcc8f543-cbd9-4926-b8e4-7f392447710b.TakeThisOut@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
<hotbistud.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Do any of you select paper tickets instead on electronic ones and why?

As our resident gasbag^H^H^H^H lawyer, Paul Tauger, claimed many times,
(quote) an e-ticket is an oral promise and
(quote) an e-ticket is not a written contract and
(quote) the statute of frauds precludes enforcement of
non-written contracts.

That's the legal opinion on the matter, or so Tauger claims. Of course,
that's the same guy who once threatened to sue an airline because there
was an infant in his row, but then again he is a licensed lawyer, and
a licensed lawyer he told us that an e-ticket is not a written contract
and the statute of frauds precludes enforcement of non-writen contracts.
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"VS" <shmat.TakeThisOut@xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote"
> As our resident gasbag^H^H^H^H lawyer, Paul Tauger,
> claimed many times,
> (quote) an e-ticket is an oral promise and
> (quote) an e-ticket is not a written contract and
> (quote) the statute of frauds precludes enforcement of
> non-written contracts.
> That's the legal opinion on the matter, or so Tauger claims.

"Hogwash." First off, under the UCC, sales which do not satisfy
the statute of frauds are enforceable, if payment has been made
and accepted. But more importantly, under the federal Electronic
Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act, "[A] signature,
contract or other record relating to [a transaction in or affecting
interstate or foreign commerce] may not be denied legal effect,
validity, or enforceability solely because it is in electronic form,"
and "a contract relating to [a transaction in or affecting interstate
or foreign commerce] may not be denied legal effect, validity, or
enforceability solely because an electronic signature or electronic
record was used in its formation." [I am also an attorney.]
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:55:26 -0500, "Rog'"
<rcblinnNoSpam DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote:

>"VS" <shmat DeleteThis @xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote"
>> As our resident gasbag^H^H^H^H lawyer, Paul Tauger,
>> claimed many times,
>> (quote) an e-ticket is an oral promise and
>> (quote) an e-ticket is not a written contract and
>> (quote) the statute of frauds precludes enforcement of
>> non-written contracts.
>> That's the legal opinion on the matter, or so Tauger claims.
>
>"Hogwash." First off, under the UCC, sales which do not satisfy
>the statute of frauds are enforceable, if payment has been made
>and accepted. But more importantly, under the federal Electronic
>Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act, "[A] signature,
>contract or other record relating to [a transaction in or affecting
>interstate or foreign commerce] may not be denied legal effect,
>validity, or enforceability solely because it is in electronic form,"
>and "a contract relating to [a transaction in or affecting interstate
>or foreign commerce] may not be denied legal effect, validity, or
>enforceability solely because an electronic signature or electronic
>record was used in its formation." [I am also an attorney.]
>
>

A competent one instead of the other guy?
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On Feb 13, 11:39 am, "KGB" <FedUpWithS....RemoveThis@NoEmailAddre.ss> (KGB)
wrote:

> That being the case, a paperticket is a waste of time anyway; you may
> as well just turn up at the check-in and tell them the reservation
> (i.e. e-ticket) number yourself.
>

I had an interesting experience a few months back. Northwest cancelled
their flight between Memphis and Denver, on which I had a reservation
and paper ticket, and re-booked me on a NW flight to Wichita, with the
connecting flight on UA to Denver. After I got yo Wichita, the United
staff at the gate refused to issue me a boarding card, claiming they
did not have me in their computer and asked -- you guessed it -- for a
paper ticket. Yuck. I had to run to the NW counter outside the
security zone, find someone who was not out to lunch (most were), have
them issue a ticket, go next to the United counter, have them issue a
boarding card, return to the gate through security (which gave me a
special treatment) and barely get on the plane that was ready to
leave. Not an experience I would like to repeat. A paper ticket would
save me all that trouble. So beware.

jrk


> Regards
>
> KGB
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