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"JA_MORAN" wrote:
> Of course having has no sleep in the previous 12 hours, my
> patience was just not there. I refused a request to remove my
> shoes and wound up missing my flight. It could have been worse.

Yeah, how would they know whether or not you were going to
blow plane without smelling your shoes?
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"JA_MORAN" wrote in message

> was at an airport today trying to catch a flight to another city. I
> normally work the Night shift from 6pm to 6am. I left work went to the
> airport got my boarding pass and was hurrying to get to the gate...
>
> Of course having has no sleep in the previous 12 hours, my patience was
> just not there. I refused a request to remove my shoes and wound up
> missing my flight. It could have been worse.
>
> I think there should be a more user friendly security system, once where
> footware can be screened while on one's feet.
>
> another option take a week and let people keep their shoes ON and if there
> are no problems let people keep hteir shoes on permanently
>
> I ha my laptop with me with my usual cables, disks and other impliments
> too
>
> I did catch a later flight and made it to my destination. I also
> appologized to the TSA people and we shook hands
>
> I don't drink alcohol but I also need to get more sleep
>
> JOHN

You didn't follow the rules, and you got to the airport too late. 'tis yer
own fault.
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"JA_MORAN" wrote in message

> was at an airport today trying to catch a flight to another city. I
> normally work the Night shift from 6pm to 6am. I left work went to the
> airport got my boarding pass and was hurrying to get to the gate...
>
> Of course having has no sleep in the previous 12 hours, my patience was
> just not there. I refused a request to remove my shoes and wound up
> missing my flight. It could have been worse.
>
> I think there should be a more user friendly security system, once where
> footware can be screened while on one's feet.

Perhaps we should, but ISTM that checking shoes is one of the few worthwhile
changes that security have added. It's easy to hide things in shoes,
especially ones with metal supports in.

tim
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On Jan 15, 4:23 pm, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote:
> "JA_MORAN" wrote in message
[snip]
> > I think there should be a more user friendly security system, once where
> > footware can be screened while on one's feet.
>
> Perhaps we should, but ISTM that checking shoes is one of the few worthwhile
> changes that security have added.  It's easy to hide things in shoes,
> especially ones with metal supports in.

Hide "things" such as what? I have far larger places to hide
things that the
TSA would never find than my shoes. The world is full of dangerous
things,
many of them are permitted on aircraft. It is dangerous people we
should be
looking for. (And that isn't my idea, it is a quote from a security
specialist
soon after 9/11)
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The one I've liked best to date (and I think TSA is a joke) ... is a
crippled friend of mine who wears leg braces and walks with
hollowed-aluminum crutches.

They made her take off her SHOES ... but never checked the crutches. Being
hollowed out like that, she could have packed them with all kinds of
explosives.

Ahhhh, TSA.

007


--
******************
Bill E. Burk
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I'd like to take the 535 members of the US Congress (elected Senators
and Represenatives) and make them go through TSA airport security every
day and have to take off their shoes, empty their pockets etc.

If that is done It probably will not be long before things change to be
made more user friendly and more sensible.

People who are supposed to represent us, the taxpayers, often make laws
and rules but use their credentials as a governemnt official and get
themselves exempt from what the rest of us must follow as in do as I
say, not as I do.

Airport security is not 100% fool proof and never will be.
The system now is akin to putting breath analyzers at toll booths and
having every driver blow into the straw becuse they MIGHT be drunk, not
looking for signs and going after people who ARE drunk.




me wrote:
> On Jan 15, 4:23 pm, "tim \(not at home\)"
> wrote:
>
>>"JA_MORAN" wrote in message
>
> [snip]
>
>>>I think there should be a more user friendly security system, once where
>>>footware can be screened while on one's feet.
>>
>>Perhaps we should, but ISTM that checking shoes is one of the few worthwhile
>>changes that security have added. It's easy to hide things in shoes,
>>especially ones with metal supports in.
>
>
> Hide "things" such as what? I have far larger places to hide
> things that the
> TSA would never find than my shoes. The world is full of dangerous
> things,
> many of them are permitted on aircraft. It is dangerous people we
> should be
> looking for. (And that isn't my idea, it is a quote from a security
> specialist
> soon after 9/11)
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Rog' wrote:
> "JA_MORAN" wrote:
>
>>Of course having has no sleep in the previous 12 hours, my
>>patience was just not there. I refused a request to remove my
>>shoes and wound up missing my flight. It could have been worse.
>
>
> Yeah, how would they know whether or not you were going to
> blow plane without smelling your shoes?
>
>

You can't hide anything in your shoes that you can't hind elsewhere
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tim (not at home) wrote:

> "JA_MORAN" wrote in message
>
>
>>was at an airport today trying to catch a flight to another city. I
>>normally work the Night shift from 6pm to 6am. I left work went to the
>>airport got my boarding pass and was hurrying to get to the gate...
>>
>>Of course having has no sleep in the previous 12 hours, my patience was
>>just not there. I refused a request to remove my shoes and wound up
>>missing my flight. It could have been worse.
>>
>>I think there should be a more user friendly security system, once where
>>footware can be screened while on one's feet.
>
>
> Perhaps we should, but ISTM that checking shoes is one of the few worthwhile
> changes that security have added. It's easy to hide things in shoes,
> especially ones with metal supports in.
>

It's easy to hide things in other places.
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JA_MORAN wrote:

> was at an airport today trying to catch a flight to another city.

It is unusual to take a flight to the same city.

You claim to be a frequent flyer, yet you don't understand your shoes
are supposed to be removed, and you ara supposed to do as told.
Did you tell them about your knife?
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I am not one who takes kindly or believes in the "zero tolerance" phrase

If that thinking were in place when I was in elementary or high school,
who knows where I'd be or how many times my parent's would have been
called. At that time "be reasonable and be fair" was how people thought.

I have always been and will always be one who asks WHY, HOW COME, saying
do it because someone said do will never be good enough for me.

The world needs people to look at things critically and say when things
are NOT RIGHT or make suggestions on what can be improved.

If I complain, I will say I don't like because.. not just I don't like

well, I was flying to another city for a meeting then flying back later
the same day, that's not too unusual.

we need to make our senators and represenatives and presidential
canidates too be subject to the exact same treatment everyone else must
go through. If that were the case, I wonder how fast things would change

the average traveler just wants to get someplace, they have no evil
intentions.

Also with Airport security the aim should not be to delay travelers, but
to speed them through. Often people percieve the security (and it often
is) as a way to get delayed.
Mr. Travel wrote:
> JA_MORAN wrote:
>
>> was at an airport today trying to catch a flight to another city.
>
>
> It is unusual to take a flight to the same city.
>
> You claim to be a frequent flyer, yet you don't understand your shoes
> are supposed to be removed, and you ara supposed to do as told.
> Did you tell them about your knife?
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"tim (not at home)" wrote in message


> Perhaps we should, but ISTM that checking shoes is one of the few
> worthwhile changes that security have added. It's easy to hide things in
> shoes, especially ones with metal supports in.

Any proof of that?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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In message "William Black"
wrote:

>
>"tim (not at home)" wrote in message
>
>
>> Perhaps we should, but ISTM that checking shoes is one of the few
>> worthwhile changes that security have added. It's easy to hide things in
>> shoes, especially ones with metal supports in.
>
>Any proof of that?

Ever looked at a shoe? Anything long and flat (razor blades, etc) would
fit easily under the insole of nearly any enclosed-foot shoe.

Whether that would constitute a threat or not, I don't know -- I'd argue
no. However, since it's within the TSA's mandate to try to prevent
blades from getting on the plane, it's not an unreasonable search.
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lets not forget phones, My new cell phone is flat enough to fit in a
shoe under the arch of my foot...

remember Agent 86 Maxwell Smart and his shoe phone, played by Don Adams
and the Chief, and Agent 99.

DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message "William Black"
> wrote:
>
>
>>"tim (not at home)" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>>Perhaps we should, but ISTM that checking shoes is one of the few
>>>worthwhile changes that security have added. It's easy to hide things in
>>>shoes, especially ones with metal supports in.
>>
>>Any proof of that?
>
>
> Ever looked at a shoe? Anything long and flat (razor blades, etc) would
> fit easily under the insole of nearly any enclosed-foot shoe.
>
> Whether that would constitute a threat or not, I don't know -- I'd argue
> no. However, since it's within the TSA's mandate to try to prevent
> blades from getting on the plane, it's not an unreasonable search.
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