US fingerprints 'allied' visitors

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:46:34 +0100, Lansbury <lansbury.TakeThisOut@spamcop.net>
wrote:

 >On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:47:30 +0200, AJC <ajc.TakeThisOut@wxs.nl> wrote:
 >
  >>So, what do we all feel about the idea of being photographed and
  >>fingerprinted by the US authorities?
 >
 >I think we should follow the Brazilian lead.


That is an appealing idea.
As I'm against governments keeping this sort of information, how about
a compromise. Segregate Americans at immigration, inconvenience and
humiliate them by taking Polaroid pictures and ink fingerprints, then
immediately shred them (the photos and fingerprint slips, not the
Americans), to show what respecting people's privacy is about. Oh, and
of course charge them an entry fee for the privilege!
Or am I just being mean
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:05:07 +0200, AJC <ajc.TakeThisOut@wxs.nl> wrote:

 >Segregate Americans at immigration, inconvenience and
 >humiliate them by taking Polaroid pictures and ink fingerprints, then
 >immediately shred them

that is what the Brazilians are doing, but they don't shred the stuff
just throw it in a box. It is not used in anyway just done to
inconvenience.

I have e-mailed the family in the States saying that after end of
September I will not be over if I have to be finger printed etc. There
does seem to be a loophole in that people entering via Canada or Mexico
will not be subject to these requirements. If that is so I can see the
passenger figures on Air Canada going up sharply.

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Lansbury wrote:
 > On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:05:07 +0200, AJC <ajc DeleteThis @wxs.nl> wrote:
 >
 > There does seem to be a loophole in that people entering via Canada or
 > Mexico will not be subject to these requirements. If that is so I can
 > see the passenger figures on Air Canada going up sharply.

I think you misunderstood this "loophole". Citiizens of Canada or Mexico
will not be subject to the requirements. Everyone else will, regardless of
port of entry.

What is predictable is that travel to the US will increase prior to
September

Thinking about it I think I'll get a quick trip in.

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 >
 > So, what do we all feel about the idea of being photographed and
 > fingerprinted by the US authorities? Personally it just strengthens my
 > resolve to avoid the place in future.

Same for me. I will gladly wait with visiting the US until a sane government
gets (s)elected there.

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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:54:01 +0100, "Trust No One®" <dana.scully.RemoveThis@usa.net>
wrote:

 >I think you misunderstood this "loophole". Citiizens of Canada or Mexico
 >will not be subject to the requirements. Everyone else will, regardless of
 >port of entry.
 >

Thanks I only saw a brief mention of it so no doubt did get the wrong
end of the stick.

 >What is predictable is that travel to the US will increase prior to
 >September
 >

Be interesting to see how the Xmas holiday bookings to places like
Florida are effected this year.
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I doubt Tony lame duck Blair has the guts to do it. He's just George's
Poodle "come here Tony roil over"
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 > On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:47:30 +0200, AJC <ajc RemoveThis @wxs.nl> wrote:
 >
  > >So, what do we all feel about the idea of being photographed and
  > >fingerprinted by the US authorities?
 >
 > I think we should follow the Brazilian lead.
 >
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:33:03 +0100, Lansbury <lansbury DeleteThis @spamcop.net>
wrote:

 >On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:05:07 +0200, AJC <ajc DeleteThis @wxs.nl> wrote:
 >
  >>Segregate Americans at immigration, inconvenience and
  >>humiliate them by taking Polaroid pictures and ink fingerprints, then
  >>immediately shred them
 >
 >that is what the Brazilians are doing, but they don't shred the stuff
 >just throw it in a box. It is not used in anyway just done to
 >inconvenience.
 >
Excellent. It is the way to get through to some Americans just what is
happening to their country.

 >I have e-mailed the family in the States saying that after end of
 >September I will not be over if I have to be finger printed etc.

Yes, I will be doing the same with friends in the US.


 >There
 >does seem to be a loophole in that people entering via Canada or Mexico
 >will not be subject to these requirements. If that is so I can see the
 >passenger figures on Air Canada going up sharply.

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 > So, what do we all feel about the idea of being photographed and
 > fingerprinted by the US authorities? Personally it just strengthens my
 > resolve to avoid the place in future.

I will not be visiting either..

"meant to identify travellers who have violated immigration controls,
have criminal records or belong to groups listed as terrorist organisations by
the US."

I wonder exactly just how many they have actually found?


I also understand that the delay of biometric info on passports is not
just that we can't produce them yet, but that the US doesn't have the
sytems to read them anyway? I can't recall where I read that now.

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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:12:14 +0200, "Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha DeleteThis @xs4all.nl>
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  >>
  >>
  >> So, what do we all feel about the idea of being photographed and
  >> fingerprinted by the US authorities? Personally it just strengthens my
  >> resolve to avoid the place in future.
 >
 >Same for me. I will gladly wait with visiting the US until a sane government
 >gets (s)elected there.
 >
 >Sjoerd
 >

I'm not so sure that a change of government will help though.
Repressive measures are easily introduced, but they soon become the
norm and subsequent administrations tend to be reluctant to remove
them.
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 > "meant to identify travellers who have violated immigration controls,
 > have criminal records or belong to grovps listed as terrorist
organisations by
 > the US."
 >
 > I wonder exactly jvst how many they have actvally fovnd?

 > Pam

If they fovnd ONE single person that meant disasters like September 11th
maybe avoided ide call that a svccess and be perfectly happy.

I dont know what all the fvss is abovt, im perfectly happy to have my
pictvre taken and give my fingerprints, it wont stop me holidaying in the
USA. If yove done nothing wrong yovve nothing to be worried abovt!!

We have mvslims yesterday in Regents Park bvrning the vnion jack flag and
shovting hatred to the UK while the good old English bobby stands by and
watches, there not so fvll of hatred for vs when were giving them covncil
hovses and benefits are they! We covld certainly lear a thing or 2 form the
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 > If they found ONE single person that meant disasters like September 11th
 > maybe avoided ide call that a success and be perfectly happy.

They may find the odd petty criminal but they will not find a terrorist
this way, their plate will be kept clean.

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In message <oiqs6054mul4io1uvfp17seqa08tsctudu.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, AJC
<ajc.DeleteThis@wxs.nl> writes
 >So, what do we all feel about the idea of being photographed and
 >fingerprinted by the US authorities?

It will get you used to being photographed and fingerprinted by the UK
Authorities (for Blair's post-Madrid ID card, as well as new passports
from mid 2005).

Don't expect the Americans to understand UK reticence - yanks have to be
photographed and fingerprinted to get a driving licence (which is pretty
much a compulsory item), and none of them seem to complain.
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In message <rq0t601q497fb4kdjt8n9o89n1rip6j5go.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Lansbury
<lansbury.DeleteThis@spamcop.net> writes
 >There does seem to be a loophole in that people entering via Canada or
 >Mexico will not be subject to these requirements.

Or is it "Canadians and Mexican" ?
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