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Jochen Kriegerowski

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:59 pm
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"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2 RemoveThis @PremoveOBthisOX.COM> schrieb

> Here in arizona, the law is that vehicles must be registered in the state
> when the owner becomes a resident and the definition for a resident
> is one who works in the state, has children in school without paying
> as a nonresident, is in the state for 7 months for any reason, etc.

The OP sounds more like he just wants to store the car in Florida for
a longer period, without driving it, without taking residence there, but
just leave the car there for some reason (some collector's item that
should rather be in a mild climate during the winter months? Gain
value to sell it as a 'factory new' vintage in 20 years?)

Jochen

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Bill & Gail

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:08 pm
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Sorry I wasn't more clear about our status or our motives.

We are Canadian snowbirds who own a tin can in a swamp in Florida. We will
be going to it for about 5 1/2 months a year (winter months :>))

We are thinking of leaving a car there full time and just flying back and
forth.

Thanks to you all for your interest and your help

Bill


"Jochen Kriegerowski" <joinvalid DeleteThis @smtp.ru> wrote in message
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> "AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2 DeleteThis @PremoveOBthisOX.COM> schrieb
>
>> Here in arizona, the law is that vehicles must be registered in the state
>> when the owner becomes a resident and the definition for a resident
>> is one who works in the state, has children in school without paying
>> as a nonresident, is in the state for 7 months for any reason, etc.
>
> The OP sounds more like he just wants to store the car in Florida for
> a longer period, without driving it, without taking residence there, but
> just leave the car there for some reason (some collector's item that
> should rather be in a mild climate during the winter months? Gain
> value to sell it as a 'factory new' vintage in 20 years?)
>
> Jochen

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LVTravel

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:36 pm
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"Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> "Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Florida does ~not~ tax private personal property in its state.
>
>> Probably not true. They tax boats that are there for extended
>> periods. Probably the same with cars.
>
> You are mistaken, my fine feathered friend.
> ... http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/property/exemptions.html
> "Some items of personal property are not taxable, for example,
> licensed motor vehicles, boats, airplanes, trailers, trailer coaches,
> and certain mobile homes as defined by law."
> ... Section 1, Article VII, Florida Constitution:
> "(b) Motor vehicles, boats, airplanes, trailers, trailer coaches and
> mobile homes, as defined by law, shall be subject to a license tax
> for their operation in the amounts and for the purposes prescribed
> by law, but shall not be subject to ad valorem taxes."
>

But boy do they hit you with all sorts of fees when you attempt to register
and tag a vehicle in Florida that has been registered in another state. (At
least they did a few years ago when my son moved to Florida.)
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Bert Hyman

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:59 pm
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jsbs DeleteThis @sentex.net (Bill & Gail) wrote in news:475ee04e@news.sentex.net:

> Sorry I wasn't more clear about our status or our motives.
>
> We are Canadian snowbirds who own a tin can in a swamp in Florida.
> We will be going to it for about 5 1/2 months a year (winter months
> :>))
>
> We are thinking of leaving a car there full time and just flying
> back and forth.

Since much of the population of Florida is made up of people doing the
same as you, there just has to be legal provision for the practice.

Since much of the population of Minnesota spends the winter in
Florida and other warm places, and a surpringly large number of people
from the rest of the US summer in Minnesota, there's a provision in
Minnesota law for the practice.

A resident of another state doesn't have to register his automobile(s)
in Minnesota so long as they don't live here more than 6 months of the
year, and their home state has a similar agreement for residents of
Minnesota.

Minnesota Statutes 168.181 NONRESIDENT OWNERS, RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS
OR ARRANGEMENTS.

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:01 pm
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drmorrisnospam

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:20 pm
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:01:29 -0500, jdoe <jdoe.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:


>nonsense, there is a one time charge, a bit under $100 for a first
>time registration from another state, try to know what you're talking
>about before posting

That's not too bad. MD will be charging 6% of the value (up from 5%)
as of Jan. 1.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:28 pm
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"Bill & Gail" <jsbs.TakeThisOut@sentex.net> wrote:
> Sorry I wasn't more clear about our status or our motives. We are
> Canadian snowbirds who own a tin can in a swamp in Florida. We
> will be going to it for about 5 1/2 months a year (winter months :>))
> We are thinking of leaving a car there full time and just flying back
> and forth. Thanks to you all for your interest and your help
------------
Ignore posts about other states. To quote Florida Statutes:
"320.37 Registration not to apply to nonresidents.--
(1) The provisions of this chapter relative to the requirement for
registration of motor vehicles and display of license number plates
do not apply to a motor vehicle owned by a nonresident of this
state if the owner thereof has complied with the provisions of the
motor vehicle registration or licensing law of the foreign country,
state, territory, or federal district of the owner's residence and
conspicuously displays his or her registration number..."

320.38 When nonresident exemption not allowed.-- ... In every
case in which a nonresident... accepts employment or engages in
any trade, profession, or occupation in this state or enters his or
her children to be educated in the public schools of this state, such
nonresident shall, within 10 days after the commencement of such
employment or education, register his or her motor vehicles in this
state...

There is no other limitation. Just have you local registration up to
date when you take the car out on the streets. =R=
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Rog'

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:41 pm
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"Brian" <drmorrisnospam.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> jdoe <jdoe.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>nonsense, there is a one time charge, a bit under $100 for
>>a first time registration from another state, try to know what
>>you're talking about before posting

> That's not too bad. MD will be charging 6% of the value (up
> from 5%) as of Jan. 1.

The one-time $100 charge is in addition to the annual tag fees.
BUT... If the transfer of registration is due to a sale, a new title
fee and sales tax of 6% will also be collected.
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Calif Bill

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:04 pm
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"Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.TakeThisOut@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> "Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Florida does ~not~ tax private personal property in its state.
>
>> Probably not true. They tax boats that are there for extended
>> periods. Probably the same with cars.
>
> You are mistaken, my fine feathered friend.
> ... http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/property/exemptions.html
> "Some items of personal property are not taxable, for example,
> licensed motor vehicles, boats, airplanes, trailers, trailer coaches,
> and certain mobile homes as defined by law."
> ... Section 1, Article VII, Florida Constitution:
> "(b) Motor vehicles, boats, airplanes, trailers, trailer coaches and
> mobile homes, as defined by law, shall be subject to a license tax
> for their operation in the amounts and for the purposes prescribed
> by law, but shall not be subject to ad valorem taxes."
>
>

And those license fees probably cover the ad valorem taxes also. Been lots
of stories of people staying on their boats over the 30 days or some set
amount of time and getting the bill for registration. Makes sense. Same as
most other states. If it was possible to do as you say, everyone would be
registering their vehicles in cheap states.
>
>
>
>
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Calif Bill

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:05 pm
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"jdoe" <jdoe DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:55:24 -0800, "Calif Bill"
> <bmckeespam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>> Correction:
>>> Florida does ~not~ tax private personal property in its state.
>>> You would be required to register it in Florida ~only if~ the
>>> owner either becomes employed, places children in public
>>> school, or establishes residency in this State.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Probably not true. They tax boats that are there for extended periods.
>>Probably the same with cars.
>>
> fla no longer has a personal tangible property tax
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

How much is car registration in Florida. California, part of the fees are
the value tax.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:44 pm
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On Dec 10, 6:06 pm, "Bill & Gail" <j....RemoveThis@sentex.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience to share regarding a Canadian leaving a
> Canadian car in Florida?
>
> Any problems around licensing (Canada or US?) insurance, customs\duties,
> storage preparation under the car port?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Bill

I've been following this thread off and on, but I don't believe anyone
has addressed the customs/ duties part, only state requirements.
Leaving an imported car in a foreign country may have customs/duties
implications. Check with a U.S. consulate.

George
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:27 am
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"Calif Bill" <bmckeespam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> And those license fees probably cover the ad valorem taxes also.
> Been lots of stories of people staying on their boats over the 30 days
> or some set amount of time and getting the bill for registration.
> Makes sense. Same as most other states. If it was possible to do
> as you say, everyone would be registering their vehicles in cheap states.

Gawd, you should quit while you're behind.
The annunal registration fees here range from $27 to $47, depending
on the vehicle's weight. The theory is that the heavier the vehicle, the
more wear on the roads. It has nothing to do with value, as that is
expressly prohibited by the Florida Constitution.

As for "people staying on their boats," I do not recall the OP saying
that he was going to live in his car. It a little different. Could a boat
be interpreted as a "residence?" Florida has plenty of experience
with folks using their boats as residences. As for the bills, marinas
collect rent and remit the sales tax to DOR offices. It doesn't take
rocket science to track boats from marina to marina and figure out
who is residing versus who is chartering a boat for a fishing trip.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:35 am
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:36 am
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:51 pm
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Calif Bill wrote:

> "Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>"Calif Bill" <bmckeespam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Florida does ~not~ tax private personal property in its state.
>>
>>>Probably not true. They tax boats that are there for extended
>>>periods. Probably the same with cars.
>>
>>You are mistaken, my fine feathered friend.
>>... http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/property/exemptions.html
>>"Some items of personal property are not taxable, for example,
>>licensed motor vehicles, boats, airplanes, trailers, trailer coaches,
>>and certain mobile homes as defined by law."
>>... Section 1, Article VII, Florida Constitution:
>>"(b) Motor vehicles, boats, airplanes, trailers, trailer coaches and
>>mobile homes, as defined by law, shall be subject to a license tax
>>for their operation in the amounts and for the purposes prescribed
>>by law, but shall not be subject to ad valorem taxes."

> And those license fees probably cover the ad valorem taxes also. Been lots
> of stories of people staying on their boats over the 30 days or some set
> amount of time and getting the bill for registration. Makes sense. Same as
> most other states. If it was possible to do as you say, everyone would be
> registering their vehicles in cheap states.

It is not that easy to avoid registration. It is somewhat difficult for
most folks to avoid becoming residents. If you own property in Florida,
for example, you are excluded from the state insurance program.
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