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Pieter

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:09 pm
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I have also been in Fairbanks at the end of June. The mosquitos are as big
as robins and there isn't much night to speak of. All things considered,
I'd rather do winter there....

"Patty Winter" <patty1 DeleteThis @wintertime.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <47c3174c$0$4928$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Pieter <pvcl@*nospam*plitch.com> wrote:
>>
>>I did see them in the Fairbanks and Anchorage AK areas while visiting
>>about
>>3 years ago in early September. As suggested below, winter is better in
>>terms of numbers of hours of darkness.
>
> Oh, I certainly realize that. It's just that Fairbanks in February
> has some downsides for those of us who are weather wimps. Smile Anyway,
> from what some have said here, dead of winter is not necessarily the
> most active time for aurorae.
>
>
> Patty
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:14 pm
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In article <47c30033$1@darkstar>, Eugene Miya <eugene.RemoveThis@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
>For some reason I've never seen auroras well in the lower 48.

The only one I ever saw in the Bay Area was in the 1950s. There have
been a few others supposedly visible here since then, but now one has
to get away from the metro areas where there's so much light pollution.

>So I came back on my own dime a couple of Decembers later on flyer miles.
>
>That is a very different experience.
>
>1) It's dark longer. 2hrs of day light.
>2) It's considerably colder (last week the area around Fairbanks ranges
>in lows from -40F to -60F.

Thus making it a lot less pleasant to hang around outdoors! Although
I suppose an indoor location with good windows would suffice part of
the time. Not the same, though!

>3) Feb. is commonly cited as a good time to see aurora with color.
>I had nice greens in December.

Hmmm, interesting. I didn't realize that color intensity might not
correlate with frequency.


>4) Glare might be a problem but I would not worry about it, a good
>aurora will cut through glare. The most impressive display I had during
>the period I was in Fairbanks happened when I drove over to North Pole
>to drop X-mas cards off for the special Santa cancellation that post
>office has.

That's a cute town. Smile


>Coming back, the aurora stopped the traffic, people got out
>of their cars (4 lanes).

Wow, that must have been something if it even made the locals stop
and take notice.

What year was this, Eugene? I'm curious to know whether it was near
the top of the solar cycle.


>5) If I were going again to just see the aurora, I'd made a reservation
>to stay at Chena Hot Springs a night or two.

That's out away from Fairbanks, right? I've heard of it.


>Transiting to get to Fairbanks in winter is also problematic.

Are flights often delayed because of weather problems?


>Do spend a night and a full day in Anchorage.

I should do that. I didn't get a look at the place last time I visited.
Just stayed overnight and got on the train in the morning. I'll research
the visitors' bureau site, but any suggestions from folks here about
what to see and do in Anchorage would also be welcome.


Patty

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:14 pm
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In article <47c32228$0$36403$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
Patty Winter <patty1.TakeThisOut@wintertime.com> wrote:
>In article <47c30033$1@darkstar>, Eugene Miya <eugene.TakeThisOut@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>>For some reason I've never seen auroras well in the lower 48.
>
>The only one I ever saw in the Bay Area was in the 1950s. There have
>been a few others supposedly visible here since then, but now one has
>to get away from the metro areas where there's so much light pollution.

The last time, several years back, at least 6-7 years, I was camping out
near the Carson Sink, and I heard that it was a dramatic red the next
when I was in Reno. Never saw it.


>>That is a very different experience.
>>
>>1) It's dark longer. 2hrs of day light.
>>2) It's considerably colder (last week the area around Fairbanks ranges
>>in lows from -40F to -60F.
>
>Thus making it a lot less pleasant to hang around outdoors! Although
>I suppose an indoor location with good windows would suffice part of
>the time. Not the same, though!

You have to have lights off and quad paned windows. Dual panes can
still fog.

My one very minor regret was not tossing a cup of hot water in the air
and having it freeze before it lands on the snow. You need to be well
clothed, but that's all doable. Especialy if done at the Hot Springs.


I just had I80 to myself (closed at Donner Pass). That was a more
hazardous experience.


>>3) Feb. is commonly cited as a good time to see aurora with color.
>>I had nice greens in December.
>
>Hmmm, interesting. I didn't realize that color intensity might not
>correlate with frequency.

Aurora Watchers Handbook.

>>4) Glare might be a problem but I would not worry about it, a good
>>aurora will cut through glare. The most impressive display I had during
>>the period I was in Fairbanks happened when I drove over to North Pole
>>to drop X-mas cards off for the special Santa cancellation that post
>>office has.
>
>That's a cute town. Smile

North Pole tends to make the news once a year.
It is open other times (like when I was there in August, saw the only
moose the entire trip last time coming back).


>>Coming back, the aurora stopped the traffic, people got out
>>of their cars (4 lanes).
>
>Wow, that must have been something if it even made the locals stop
>and take notice.
>
>What year was this, Eugene? I'm curious to know whether it was near
>the top of the solar cycle.

December.
I was amazed at the glare from the near by base/Fort.
This was a green light (with reddish Mercury lights).

>>5) If I were going again to just see the aurora, I'd made a reservation
>>to stay at Chena Hot Springs a night or two.
>
>That's out away from Fairbanks, right? I've heard of it.

It's about a 2 hour drive on a paved road. They have a web site.
I went just for a day soak.

>>Transiting to get to Fairbanks in winter is also problematic.
>
>Are flights often delayed because of weather problems?

I've never had problems there with weather (IFR or VFR).
Airliner, ski plane, or float plane.

>>Do spend a night and a full day in Anchorage.
>
>I should do that. I didn't get a look at the place last time I visited.
>Just stayed overnight and got on the train in the morning. I'll research
>the visitors' bureau site, but any suggestions from folks here about
>what to see and do in Anchorage would also be welcome.

Oh, you did the summer AKRR? I finally did that a few years back.
Did see one bear from the train. They hire HS students to be guides up
to the half way point. One Fairbanks kid knew Bud K. (he wondered how a
stranger would know his HS bio teacher, and I noted the net).

I need to do that 1 winter. The problem is the turn around is less than
a day, and I want more than that or less than a week staying with
friends.

I also drove down to Seward. You clearly have to be careful driving
around winter time. Not all Los Anchorage is pretty in winter.

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Patty Winter

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:14 pm
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In article <47c330a9$0$16656$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Pieter <pvcl@*nospam*plitch.com> wrote:
>
>I have also been in Fairbanks at the end of June. The mosquitos are as big
>as robins and there isn't much night to speak of. All things considered,
>I'd rather do winter there....

Well, luckily, those aren't the only options!

Of course, I had already ruled out summer because of the short
nights.


Patty
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:14 pm
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>>Fairbanks at the end of June. The mosquitos are as big
>>as robins and there isn't much night to speak of. All things considered,
>>I'd rather do winter there....

In article <47c34130$0$36344$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
Patty Winter <patty1.TakeThisOut@wintertime.com> wrote:
>Of course, I had already ruled out summer because of the short
>nights.

What night?
Fairbanks? Night? June?

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:06 am
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In article <47c36709$1@darkstar>, Eugene Miya <eugene.DeleteThis@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>In article <47c32228$0$36403$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
>Patty Winter <patty1.DeleteThis@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>
>>That's a cute town. Smile
>
>North Pole tends to make the news once a year.
>It is open other times (like when I was there in August, saw the only
>moose the entire trip last time coming back).

Well, um, of course it's "open." It's a town!


>>What year was this, Eugene? I'm curious to know whether it was near
>>the top of the solar cycle.
>
>December.

Er, okay....


>>>Transiting to get to Fairbanks in winter is also problematic.
>>
>>Are flights often delayed because of weather problems?
>
>I've never had problems there with weather (IFR or VFR).

Then why did you have trouble getting there? Or were you using
"problematic" in its traditional meaning of "uncertain" rather
than the common newer meaning of "difficult"?


>Oh, you did the summer AKRR?

Late summer. I left Anchorage on Sept. 1st.


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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:32 am
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:12 pm
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In article <47c370b0$0$36410$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
Patty Winter <patty1.RemoveThis@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>>>North Pole
>>>That's a cute town. Smile
>>North Pole tends to make the news once a year.
>>It is open other times (like when I was there in August, saw the only
>>moose the entire trip last time coming back).
>
>Well, um, of course it's "open." It's a town!

Well, there's the city and there's Santa's village.


>>>What year was this, Eugene? I'm curious to know whether it was near
>>>the top of the solar cycle.
>>December.
>
>Er, okay....

Like I said: Different. It comes with the experience.


>>>>Transiting to get to Fairbanks in winter is also problematic.
>>>Are flights often delayed because of weather problems?
>>I've never had problems there with weather (IFR or VFR).
>
>Then why did you have trouble getting there? Or were you using
>"problematic" in its traditional meaning of "uncertain" rather
>than the common newer meaning of "difficult"?

Well, you need to understand Alaska time a bit. You are most likely to
fly Alaska Air which is like no other airline quite like it. They fly
cargo in specially modified 737s (1/2 cargo / 1/2pax) in state whereas
those using AK Air S of that only see passenger 737s.
AK has so few highways, their planes are their life lines.
Routes to the N slope have changed radically as cost saving measures.
Fairbanks Intl. has 1 long jet run way and a shorter 1/2 runway for
wheeled planes and the other have in the winter is a ski way. Not all
pilots fly these planes. Their pilots commonly commute by their own planes
(which can have delays), shuffling planes and pilots
(plus Ted Steven Intl. closes for a couple of hours in
the very early morning). But this does not mean that weather won't be
a factor. AK Air has their own (non-lower 4Cool style of scheduling.

United has 1 flt a day and it comes and goes around midnight. It no
longer flies to Fairbanks. A number of other airlines fly to both
cities, but one otherwise has to deal with AK Air. The serious weather
cities all tend to be on the coast. Alaskans don't appreciate comments
like "bridges to no where." I've now seen the Sitka bridge and can see
why Ketchikan wants a bridge to their airport.

Also plan 30% higher expenses than in the lower 48.

When you go, you need flexibility.

>>Oh, you did the summer AKRR?
>Late summer. I left Anchorage on Sept. 1st.

So daily trains.

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:07 pm
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On 25 Feb 2008 20:16:40 GMT in rec.travel.usa-canada, Patty
Winter <patty1.RemoveThis@wintertime.com> wrote:

> >1) It's dark longer. 2hrs of day light.
> >2) It's considerably colder (last week the area around Fairbanks ranges
> >in lows from -40F to -60F.
>
> Thus making it a lot less pleasant to hang around outdoors! Although
> I suppose an indoor location with good windows would suffice part of
> the time. Not the same, though!
>
the answer is chena hot springs. you can float in the warm pool
and watch the aurora.
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