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UC wrote:

> 1) why the most famous country for French fries is Belgium?
>
> 2) why the hot dog is called "Wiener" in Frankfurt and "Frankfurter" in
> Wien?
>
> 3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
>
> 4) why Brussels sprouts have a reference to the city of Bruxelles in
> every European language, but not in Dutch, where they're called just
> "Spruitkool" ?
>
> 5) why zuppa inglese (English soup) is a typical creamy Italian dessert?

As an antidote to these, English Mustard is called English Mustard here!


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UC wrote:

>1) why the most famous country for French fries is Belgium?
>
Is it a language thing? Should they be Walloon fries?

>2) why the hot dog is called "Wiener" in Frankfurt and "Frankfurter" in
>Wien?
>
>3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
>
>4) why Brussels sprouts have a reference to the city of Bruxelles in
>every European language, but not in Dutch, where they're called just
>"Spruitkool" ?
>
>5) why zuppa inglese (English soup) is a typical creamy Italian dessert?
>
Does it resemble what the French call sauce anglaise?

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Padraig Breathnach wrote:

> UC wrote:
>
> >1) why the most famous country for French fries is Belgium?
> >
> Is it a language thing? Should they be Walloon fries?
>
> >2) why the hot dog is called "Wiener" in Frankfurt and "Frankfurter" in
> >Wien?
> >
> >3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
> >
> >4) why Brussels sprouts have a reference to the city of Bruxelles in
> >every European language, but not in Dutch, where they're called just
> >"Spruitkool" ?
> >
> >5) why zuppa inglese (English soup) is a typical creamy Italian dessert?
> >
> Does it resemble what the French call sauce anglaise?

Does it resemble what some restaurants here in the UK call crème
anglaise, instead of custard?

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:44 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

>UC wrote:
>
>>1) why the most famous country for French fries is Belgium?
>>
>Is it a language thing? Should they be Walloon fries?

Because the Belgians have better French food than the French?

>
>>2) why the hot dog is called "Wiener" in Frankfurt and "Frankfurter" in
>>Wien?

For the same reason it's called the hot dog in the US?

>>
>>3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?

For the same reason English muffins are American not English?

>>
>>4) why Brussels sprouts have a reference to the city of Bruxelles in
>>every European language, but not in Dutch, where they're called just
>>"Spruitkool" ?

Because the Dutch recognize this foul vegetable for what it is?

>>
>>5) why zuppa inglese (English soup) is a typical creamy Italian dessert?
>>
>Does it resemble what the French call sauce anglaise?

To get Italians to buy the highest margin thing on the menu?
>
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, d4g4h4.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:


>> >>3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
>>
>> For the same reason English muffins are American not English?
>
>Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
>muffins are called American style, or somesuch.

Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.

>
>> >>
>> >>4) why Brussels sprouts have a reference to the city of Bruxelles in
>> >>every European language, but not in Dutch, where they're called just
>> >>"Spruitkool" ?
>>
>> Because the Dutch recognize this foul vegetable for what it is?
>
>It's a great vegetable!

Maybe if you can hold your nose while eating them.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:03 +0100, d4g4h4.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>John Kulp wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, d4g4h4.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> >>3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
>> >>
>> >> For the same reason English muffins are American not English?
>> >
>> >Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
>> >muffins are called American style, or somesuch.
>>
>> Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
>> muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
>> English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.
>
>You can buy things called "English Muffins" in shops here.

Yup I knew that. I was just talking about that peculiar muffin, which
to my knowledge is only sold in the US, that we call an English muffin
for reasons totally unknown. Until I first travelled to the UK, I had
always thought that they originated there (logical right?). Then I
never found an Englishman that had a clue what I was talking about
when I asked for them.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:22 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

>d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>John Kulp wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:44 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >UC wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>2) why the hot dog is called "Wiener" in Frankfurt and "Frankfurter" in
>>> >>Wien?
>>>
>>> For the same reason it's called the hot dog in the US?
>>
>>Or perrito caliente in some hispanic countries!
>
>Hot dog in France; chien chaud in Quebec.

It's also called a hot dog in Sweden as well. A French hot dog there
is one inserted in a round bun for some strange reason.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:18:26 +0100, d4g4h4 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>John Kulp wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:03 +0100, d4g4h4 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >John Kulp wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, d4g4h4 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> >>3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For the same reason English muffins are American not English?
>> >> >
>> >> >Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
>> >> >muffins are called American style, or somesuch.
>> >>
>> >> Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
>> >> muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
>> >> English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.
>> >
>> >You can buy things called "English Muffins" in shops here.
>>
>> Yup I knew that.
>
>Knew what? I'm talking about "English Muffins" which you can buy, called
>the same thing, in UK shops.
>
>> I was just talking about that peculiar muffin, which
>> to my knowledge is only sold in the US, that we call an English muffin
>> for reasons totally unknown.
>
>It's the same thing.

Learn something new every day. Thanks.
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"John Kulp" wrote in message

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:03 +0100, d4g4h4 DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>John Kulp wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, d4g4h4 DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >> >>3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
>>> >>
>>> >> For the same reason English muffins are American not English?
>>> >
>>> >Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
>>> >muffins are called American style, or somesuch.
>>>
>>> Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
>>> muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
>>> English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.
>>
>>You can buy things called "English Muffins" in shops here.
>
> Yup I knew that. I was just talking about that peculiar muffin, which
> to my knowledge is only sold in the US, that we call an English muffin
> for reasons totally unknown. Until I first travelled to the UK, I had
> always thought that they originated there (logical right?). Then I
> never found an Englishman that had a clue what I was talking about
> when I asked for them.



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John Kulp wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:44 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
> wrote:
>
> >UC wrote:
> >
> >>1) why the most famous country for French fries is Belgium?
> >>
> >Is it a language thing? Should they be Walloon fries?
>
> Because the Belgians have better French food than the French?
>
> >
> >>2) why the hot dog is called "Wiener" in Frankfurt and "Frankfurter" in
> >>Wien?
>
> For the same reason it's called the hot dog in the US?

Or perrito caliente in some hispanic countries!
>
> >>
> >>3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?
>
> For the same reason English muffins are American not English?

Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
muffins are called American style, or somesuch.

> >>
> >>4) why Brussels sprouts have a reference to the city of Bruxelles in
> >>every European language, but not in Dutch, where they're called just
> >>"Spruitkool" ?
>
> Because the Dutch recognize this foul vegetable for what it is?

It's a great vegetable!

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They are all based on how people use languages in relationship to
thier everyday life. Locally food and other are usually not named
after the local place but as they spread they tend to be named after
the place they came from. You also get some spread by marketing
using a forgien name to increase sales

1) it is named after the cooking method, french fries is just a
chopped down of french fried potatoes as opposed to french fried
onions. Which is just a translation of pomme frites which translates
to fried(frites is actually deep fried in a French style) potatoes.

2) Vienna and Frankfurt both had a similar product around the same
time. Marketing for the names.

3) See the top for the reason.

4) See the top for the reason, those things were bred in that place.

5) Had to look up this one. From my copy of Larousse Gastromique it
says that it was based on a popular english desert that a spread
through out Europe doing the 19th century

A better question is why is Steak American a raw steak, what Americans
would call steak tartar? So far best answer I have seen for that is
marketing, the wild west image of the US.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:44 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

>UC wrote:
>
>>5) why zuppa inglese (English soup) is a typical creamy Italian dessert?
>>
>Does it resemble what the French call sauce anglaise?

It resembles trifle.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:51:38 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:

>Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
>muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
>English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.

The English crumpet is similar to the American English muffin.
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