What knives are legal to carry in Australia ?

> Statistically speaking, a guy in
> his mid 30s, out with a dog, not making a nuisance of himself is very
> unlikely to be stopped and searched. Cops tend to go for teenagers
wearing
> tracksuits and baseball caps, swigging from a Buckfast bottle.

Can cops in the UK search people on the street whenever they want to?
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Lachlan - Grand Exalted Most High King and Emperor of All the Universe
wrote:
> Strewth! I thought it was strict over here! You can't even import a
> dagger!!!
> In the UK, it's pretty much illegal to carry anything other than a little
> penknife with a non-locking blade unless you have a very good reason (chef,
> carpet fitter etc). I tended to take my chances and carried my little cheap
> boot dagger down the front of my trousers when I went out late at night with
> the dog (not an issue any more, I guess). Statistically speaking, a guy in
> his mid 30s, out with a dog, not making a nuisance of himself is very
> unlikely to be stopped and searched. Cops tend to go for teenagers wearing
> tracksuits and baseball caps, swigging from a Buckfast bottle. Another good
> plan is to ask the policeman for the time, or some directions, that way
> you'll get the drop on them and they'll think you're a good citizen.

Nah of course you can import daggers, just depends on the type

Naturally you can make your own and not worry about importing at all


Regards Charles
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Slint Flig wrote:

> Can cops in the UK search people on the street whenever they want to?


In Australia they can, it's a reasonable price to pay imo.


Regards Charles
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kangaroo16 wrote:

> Have you considered migration to a safer place, such as
> Australia? Or, if already here, moving to a safer area?

If anyone on the list comes here for a visit to Oz, or to stay, you have
to have ice cold beer (Australia is hot so ice cold beer is the best ).

Better still, my home brew is always available, drinking a 750ml bottle
will have you giggling at the telephone (I use 2kg of sugar in a 20
litre batch). Homebrew at the moment Stout (black as sin, refreshing as
a virgin), Ginger beer definitely not for the kids. Spicy Ghost, a more
traditional mix, not as sweet, but more the typical beer flavour.


> Why not use a higher caliber weapon? Simple, a .22 is good
> enough to stop a threat if you can hit your target. Ammo is was
> cheap enough that could afford to expend a couple of hundred
> rounds every month in practice.
>
> Nice to be in a country where don't have to carry one, though!

You have a unique perspective, I've always lived in Oz so can't be as
objective as you.



Regards Charles
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:16:52 +1000, Chilla
<charlesanderson DeleteThis @optushome.com.au> wrote:

>Nah of course you can import daggers, just depends on the type


As long as they don't have two cutting edges. Even a sharpened false
edge can get you into trouble.

Had an Ek dagger confiscated by Customs, once.

Although, a collector can, in some states apply to state police for a
permit to import.
Lots of hoops, though.

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On Oct 14, 9:33 pm, i.hate.s....TakeThisOut@gmx.de wrote:
> X-No-Archive:
>
> Hi all,
>
> since I am preparing for a vacation in Australia I have a question
> about what kind of knife I will be allowed to carry with me. Before
> you ask: I need it for non-violent things like cutting bread and
> cheese, cords etc. while travelling outside of hotels.
> At home I usually carry a Spyderco-style pocket knife with a blade
> length of approx. 9 cm. I also own a Balisong-knife ("butterfly") with
> a blade of 10 cm and a double-edged fixed-blade "hunting knife" with a
> 12.5 cm blade (of which 10 cm are sharpened).
> Any idea which of these are legal to carry around on my trip is
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance !

Say Hey:

Just leave the goddam knife at home. There is enough problems at the
airports. Why you wanna carry a knife for inthe first place, clean
your finger nails?

5555 Yee-Haw !!
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:43:00 +1000, Chilla
<charlesanderson.RemoveThis@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>
>
>Slint Flig wrote:
>
>> Can cops in the UK search people on the street whenever they want to?
>
>
>In Australia they can, it's a reasonable price to pay imo.
>
>
>Regards Charles


In the Metro hotspots (like the Sydney movie theatre district),
some carry metal detectors.

In the regional city servicing my rural area, I see farmer types with
belt pouches for pocket knives.
Haven't heard of a stop on any of them.
A matter of profile.


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> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:43:00 +1000, Chilla
> <charlesanderson RemoveThis @optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Slint Flig wrote:
>>
>>> Can cops in the UK search people on the street whenever they want to?
>>
>>
>>In Australia they can, it's a reasonable price to pay imo.
>>
>>
>>Regards Charles
>
>
> In the Metro hotspots (like the Sydney movie theatre district),
> some carry metal detectors.
>
> In the regional city servicing my rural area, I see farmer types with
> belt pouches for pocket knives.
> Haven't heard of a stop on any of them.
> A matter of profile.
>
Arbitrary stop and frisk? metal detectors? That would make the ACLU's
head explode. They are upset about the government listening to the phone
call of a terrorist from afganistan unless said government gets a search
warrant from a court.
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:37:40 +1000, Alan S <nothere RemoveThis @there.com>
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>On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:32:34 GMT, kangaroo16
><kangaroo16 RemoveThis @invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Nice to be in a country where don't have to carry one, though!
>
>And would be arrested if you did without authority to do so.
>
>
>Cheers, Alan, Australia

Technically, "could be arrested", of course.

Up to the opinion of the arresting officer. I sometimes carry a
folding pocket knife, and even carried one in the U.S. as a "cub"
or "boy scout" in the USA.

A knife is a pretty basic "tool" for a multitude of everyday
tasks.

Like most "tools" it could be "misused".

However, suppose I am using a lawnmower in my backyard. I can
legally carry the pocket knife.

Suppose that I notice that the "median strip" outside my fence
hasn't recently been mowed by the local shire council.

It has "weeds" going to seed which will probably infest my lawn.

Do I call the local council and demand that they immediately send
someone to mow the median strip? No, I do it.

Do I bother to leave my pocket knife on my property when I
venture onto this "public property" if I happen to be carrying it
at the time?

Not really. As it happens, I know my local cops as friends, and
wouldn't anticipate any problems.

Sure, any cop anywhere, even in the USA can find some
justification for arresting anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Usually, though, they use "common sense".

Suppose, though, I heard a sound in my house in the middle of the
night, got up, and discovered an intruder. Could I use any
potentially "deadly force" against them? Any knife, gun, or
whatever? Nope.

If the law is strictly interpreted, I couldn't even throw a
handful of kitchen pepper in their face without the risk of being
charged with "assault".

It really does help to know a bit about law.

On the other hand, were I a cop, and wanted an excuse for
charging a teenager with "possession of a potentially deadly
weapon" his possession of a pencil or ballpoint pen would
suffice.

How about someone carrying a rolled up newspaper or magazine?
Another possibility.

But don't expect me to tell you or others just how all are
"potentially deadly weapons"!

For that matter, is the human hand a potentially "deadly weapon"?
Yes, it is, actually. Again, don't expect me to tell you or
others how it can be used as same!

Thanks for bringing up the subject, though! Interesting topic!

Cheers,
Kangaroo16
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:25:18 -0700, "Slint Flig"
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:

>> Statistically speaking, a guy in
>> his mid 30s, out with a dog, not making a nuisance of himself is very
>> unlikely to be stopped and searched. Cops tend to go for teenagers
>wearing
>> tracksuits and baseball caps, swigging from a Buckfast bottle.
>
>Can cops in the UK search people on the street whenever they want to?
>
A more interesting question is whether cops anywhere in the
world, including the USA, can search anyone, anywhere. The
answer, if you are curious, is a simple "Yes"!

Cheers,
Kangaroo16
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:52:43 GMT, brian w edginton
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>On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:43:00 +1000, Chilla
><charlesanderson.DeleteThis@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Slint Flig wrote:
>>
>>> Can cops in the UK search people on the street whenever they want to?
>>
>>
>>In Australia they can, it's a reasonable price to pay imo.
>>
>>
>>Regards Charles
>
>
>In the Metro hotspots (like the Sydney movie theatre district),
>some carry metal detectors.
>
>In the regional city servicing my rural area, I see farmer types with
>belt pouches for pocket knives.
>Haven't heard of a stop on any of them.
>A matter of profile.

Precisely! And you have managed to say this in a rather brief
message. I probably tend to provide more info than really
necessary!

Cheers,
Kangaroo16
>
>
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kangaroo16 wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:53:13 +1000, Chilla
> <charlesanderson RemoveThis @optushome.com.au> wrote in
> <471362bd$0$1031$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> :
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>>Better still, my home brew is always available, drinking a 750ml bottle
>>will have you giggling at the telephone (I use 2kg of sugar in a 20
>>litre batch). Homebrew at the moment Stout (black as sin, refreshing as
>>a virgin), Ginger beer definitely not for the kids. Spicy Ghost, a more
>>traditional mix, not as sweet, but more the typical beer flavour.
>
>
> Sounds interesting, actually. Have you worked out the actual
> alcohol content?

Roughly between 13 - 18%, the longer it sits the stronger and less sweet
it gets. I forgot a crate one year and only found it 10 months later,
so it was roughly about 13 months old. It had a strong after taste, but
was extremely alcoholic so anyone that drank it didn't care about the
flavour.



> How much does it cost to set up for home brewing in N.Z. Or did
> you do it there?

I'm an Ozzie, but the price is similar in NZ, about $60 AUD to set up if
you want a kit, or $6 if you buy a bung and an airlock, and get a 20
litre container from the local bakery (they use food grade plastic
drums, and just throw them away). See I can help you to become a cheap
drunk. The bottles cost me though, $3 each new, or you can recycle.



> What do you use as a fermentation container? Here, one that
> should work well is a large food-grade plastic screw top jar.

I actually have two kits going when I brew , so end up with about 40
litres of happiness. A screw top is better, and any food grade
container can be made into a fermentation device (or still).



> From memory, they are about 200 litre capacity, and last I checked were very cheap.

200 litre?!!?!? That would be waaaaaaay cool to do a brew that big,
however the process would be extremely labour intensive. My wife would
divorce me though



> Another possibility would be one of the stainless steel beer
> barrels often seen stacked outside pubs. These do have a deposit
> on them, around $25 from memory, and the publican might part with
> one.

I've never fermented in a keg before, I'm a bottle man. Well if you can
get pie-eyed with one bottle then a keg isn't necessary



> Another thing you might try, if of an experimental turn of mind,
> is to try adding some glucose to speed up initial fermentation.

THe problem with glucose is that it make your beer taste disgusting if
you get it wrong. I just use a yeast starter, and fermentation is very
quick.



> Humans, and, from memory, most other animals, and some plants
> such as yeast, don't directly utilize table sugar, which is
> sucrose or, chemically, C12H22O11.

It's like any sugar it breaks down eventually, and this is an advantage.
The process takes longer to metabolise the sugar, this means there is
sugar to drink, so your beer is sweeter, and if you leave it long enough
the alcohol ramps up, and is drinkable for longer.


> Fermentation is not usually much of a problem in warm climates,
> but N.Z. isn't as warm as Australia. Before the yeast can
> rapidly reproduce, the sucrose has to be broken down to glucose.

I remember one cold winter (which by NZ standards might just be an
average day), the brew didn't start, so I used a hair dryer, a blanket
and a yeast starter and got it going. ONce it was under way it was self
sustaining.


> So, just as an experiment, get a couple of the distilled water
> jugs, or even Coca-Cola bottles made from "PET" plastic.

Hell no, don't do that, the PET bottle will explode violently. If you
want to ferment in PET bottles then get the OzTops system (naturally I
have this... did I mention I was a cheap drunk?). A bottle of apple
fruit juice, some yeast and one of these special lids, 2 days later
apple cider, leave it longer it gets stronger. Want more fizz, use a
PET bottle.



> Incidentally, is distillation legal in N.Z.? When I left the US,
> one needed government permission to even own a distillation unit,
> even one for distilling water. Australia is somewhat more
> tolerant, and allows this. Italian migrants or their
> descendents, often use stills to convert home-brewed wine
> into "grappa", a potent spirit!

In Oz it is illegal, and you can't legally own a still with a more than
5 litre capacity. The still you can own isn't for alcohol... essential
oils, distilling water, but no booze


> Wine, of course, can "go off". So can beer, usually from
> contamination from a bacterium that converts the alcohol to
> acetic acid, or "vinegar". The genus _Aerobacter_ from memory.


Time will kill the yeast eventually, basically it starves. Pure alcohol
is a different kettle of fish.


> Which is more than can be said for some humans who consume too
> much of it. Your brew can cause some people to "giggle" at the
> sight of a telephone? Drink enough "grappa" or other high
> alcohol spirit and you wouldn't even recognise a phone! Or
> anything else, for that matter.

I've had some home made grappa, and geez it was rugged.


> As far as I know, stills are legal for personal use in Australia,
> as long as the product is for ones own use. However, am not sure
> this is still the case.

Absolutely true. Worse luck


Regards Charles
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