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Joel Kolstad

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(Msg. 61) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:44 pm
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>> "Richard Clark" wrote in message
>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:11:44 -0800, "Ed Price"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >You
>>> >are asking him to allow a potentially dangerous device to be operated
>> just
>>> >for your convenience and entertainment. Switch roles for just a
>> minute.

Why is an AM/FM radio receiver potentially more dangerous than laptop PCs,
gameboys, DVD players, and other electronic devices that are used quite
routinely on airplanes?

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Joel Kolstad

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(Msg. 62) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:49 pm
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"Robert Baer" wrote in message

> "Faraday shield" to some degree is a myth.

I'd say it's more a case of people tending to think that various metal
structures such as cars, airplnes, metal boxes, etc. are close to ideal
'Faraday shields' when, in actuality, they might only be a poor
approximation. (It's this line of reasoning that usually flummuxes people
when they try to shield a monitor that has a wavvy display from some
extneral field with a steel box and find it's not very effective.)

> I have seen radars inside quonset huts track a *bird* flying a few
> miles away (thru the metal wall)!

Hmm... any idea if the folks inside weren't being exposed to far more
radiation that what we'd typically consider safe? Smile

---Joel Kolstad

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Joel Kolstad

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(Msg. 63) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:55 pm
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"Ed Price" wrote in message

> I was trying to be charitable in assuming that nobody would be so dumb as
> to fire up a multi-megawatt radar INSIDE a metal hut. Looks like you guys
> proved me wrong!

There's a Simpsons episode where Homer and Marge check out the house for
sale next door, and find that it has a very high end, contemporary kitchen
including a microwave oven big enough to walk in... something that Homer
immediately does, of course.
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dvanhorn

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(Msg. 64) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:47 pm
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> Why is an AM/FM radio receiver potentially more dangerous than laptop PCs,
> gameboys, DVD players, and other electronic devices that are used quite
> routinely on airplanes?

The other devices may have circuits that incidentally radiate a little noise
in the aircraft VHF band.
A broadcast FM receiver almost certainly has an oscillator running by
design, in the band.
Where it lands in the aircraft band, is determined by where it's tuned to.
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Bill Turner

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(Msg. 65) Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:42 am
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Joel Kolstad

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(Msg. 66) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:45 am
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"Dave VanHorn" wrote in message

> The other devices may have circuits that incidentally radiate a little
> noise in the aircraft VHF band.
> A broadcast FM receiver almost certainly has an oscillator running by
> design, in the band.
> Where it lands in the aircraft band, is determined by where it's tuned to.

Ah... you're thinking... FM broadcast range is 88-108MHz... with a 10.7MHz
IF... a high side LO is at ~98-118MHz, easily landing within the aircraft
band (which is... 108-??? MHz, right?).
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Caveat Lector

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(Msg. 67) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:35 pm
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"Joel Kolstad" wrote in message

> "Dave VanHorn" wrote in message
>
>> The other devices may have circuits that incidentally radiate a little
>> noise in the aircraft VHF band.
>> A broadcast FM receiver almost certainly has an oscillator running by
>> design, in the band.
>> Where it lands in the aircraft band, is determined by where it's tuned
>> to.
>
> Ah... you're thinking... FM broadcast range is 88-108MHz... with a 10.7MHz
> IF... a high side LO is at ~98-118MHz, easily landing within the aircraft
> band (which is... 108-??? MHz, right?).
>
>
>
The original poster is long gone -- refused any info and advice we gave him
including a list of airlines that prohibit AM/FM radios and other devices
And the FAA stance on the matter
Must have been 50+ responses
So I guess we can put this to bed



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Terry

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(Msg. 68) Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:13 pm
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 > If you stretch a string on a globe from London to Florida, it will show
 > the 'great circle' route that's the shortest, and that should be your
 > plane's path, barring storme, hurricanes, etc. You'll see that it comes
 > really close to the eastern Canadian provinces.
 >
In fact the Avalon Peninsuala in the most eastern part of the island portion
of the province of Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada, is a 'Way Point' for
many transatlantic flights headed to/from Europe.
Clear days Transatlantic flight con-trails, at 30,000 feet etc. can be seen
almost continuously.
That is why so many of the flights that were prevented from entering US air
space 9/11 had to land in eastern Canada.
Many US/Canada friendships were founded between grounded travellers that day
and eastern and western Canadians who voluntarily accommodated them during
the delay.
Cape Spear near St John's is the most easterly point in North America.
Marconi received the first transatlantic wireless telegraph signal near St
John's in Dec. 1901.
French is one of the 'Official Languages' in Canada. A significant
percentage of the population, mainly in Quebec, New Brunswick, but also
elsewhere in Canada, is French speaking. Many/most are bilingual.
Same way Spanish is significant in the USA?
The word 'Cajun' in southern US comes from the French word "Acadian";
originally inhabitants of Acadia or what is now the eastern Canadian
Province of Nova Scotia.
Terry.
PS. Staff at the National Historic Park at Signal Hill, St. John's, which
incorporates the memorial and events which celebrate Marconi's first
wireless telegraph reception say that visitors unaware of the approximately
1800 miles across the Atlantic, (4.3 hours by jet to London-Heathrow) will
sometimes ask "Can you see across to England/Ireland etc.". The answer is;
"No, but sometimes you can see "Whales"! Smile
And sometimes icebergs as well.
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