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Since: Sep 19, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:53 pm
Post subject: update on visa reqts US
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Many thanks to all who responded to the original post. Just to clarify
matters, I've spoken to the embassy and if you've ever been arrested by the
police, for anything, no matter what the outcome of the case, you cannot
travel under the Visa Waiver scheme and have to apply for a Visa. They
reckon that from 26 October, all passengers will be fingerprinted and
checked against police records (however I am not sure WHICH police records,
US or UK) So I am not going to chance being turned away so I've made an
appointment for a visa appointment.
However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
must have been a minimum of 10 minutes. Then I have to take a day off work
to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it MUST be a personal
interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London then pay £72 for the
Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to NY actually cost! I
can understand this palaver if I had been actually convicted of anything but
I'm totally innocent and so am really miffed about it. |
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Since: Sep 20, 2004
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:13 pm
Post subject: Re: update on visa reqts US [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Stef" wrote in message
> ....
> However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
> is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
> the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
> must have been a minimum of 10 minutes. Then I have to take a day off work
> to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it MUST be a personal
> interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London then pay £72 for the
> Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to NY actually cost!.....
If this is a purely business trip then surely your employer will reimburse the
costs of obtaining the required visa. |
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Since: Sep 19, 2004
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:07 pm
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the flights to NY actually cost!.....
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> If this is a purely business trip then surely your employer will reimburse
the
> costs of obtaining the required visa.
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And if you are travelling to the US for the purpose of conducting buisness,
if you follow the rules, surely you need a visa?
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Since: Sep 22, 2004
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:55 pm
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"Stef" wrote in message
> Many thanks to all who responded to the original post. Just to clarify
> matters, I've spoken to the embassy and if you've ever been arrested by the
> police, for anything, no matter what the outcome of the case, you cannot
> travel under the Visa Waiver scheme and have to apply for a Visa. They
> reckon that from 26 October, all passengers will be fingerprinted and
> checked against police records (however I am not sure WHICH police records,
> US or UK) So I am not going to chance being turned away so I've made an
> appointment for a visa appointment.
I would imagine this is the US-VISIT system they are refering to, which has access to all US
fingerprint data.
While I was aware that the US is presently fingerprinting all non-US arrivals *with* visas, I wasn't
aware that they were going to do the same to all those ariving under the visa waiver programme from
26 October.
Does anyone have more information on this?
UK Police forces do not give copies of their fingerprint databases to the US authorities. However,
fingerprints of wanted person and major criminals are shared via Interpol, and the US would have
copies of those.
> However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
> is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
> the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
> must have been a minimum of 10 minutes.
The US is a capitalist country. What else would you expect.
> Then I have to take a day off work
> to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it MUST be a personal
> interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London then pay £72 for the
> Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to NY actually cost! I
> can understand this palaver if I had been actually convicted of anything but
> I'm totally innocent and so am really miffed about it.
The reason the US counts arrests as a "problem" is that their view is that arrested people are often
guilty and get off through lack of evidence or a clever-dick lawyer who finds a "technicality".
It's a load of crap of course, since if you want to screw up someone's life in the US all you do is
make an anonymous tip-off which gets them arrested. AFAIK arrests are public data in much of the
USA, so can be checked by prospective employers, credit agencies etc.. >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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Since: Sep 20, 2004
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:14 pm
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"Richard White" wrote in message
> > However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
> > is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
> > the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
> > must have been a minimum of 10 minutes.
> The US is a capitalist country. What else would you expect.
Can't you google for a standard landline number?
A search on <0207 us embassy grosvenor> got me 0207 499 9000 and a load of similar
numbers. All premium rate numbers have to be fed into a regular "recipient"
landline number (which is often not openly promoted for obvious reasons), but may
have "leaked" to google at some stage. >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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Since: Sep 22, 2004
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:41 am
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On NYE 2000 -2001 i was arrested for entering a nightlcub with an ecstacy
pill. do you think this will effect me getting a visa in the next 5 years as
im thinking about immagrating to us. after 10 years will this be wipped of
my crimnal record?
"Stef" wrote in message
> Many thanks to all who responded to the original post. Just to clarify
> matters, I've spoken to the embassy and if you've ever been arrested by
> the police, for anything, no matter what the outcome of the case, you
> cannot travel under the Visa Waiver scheme and have to apply for a Visa.
> They reckon that from 26 October, all passengers will be fingerprinted and
> checked against police records (however I am not sure WHICH police
> records, US or UK) So I am not going to chance being turned away so I've
> made an appointment for a visa appointment.
> However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an
> appointment is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd
> listened to the recorded message and actually got through to make the
> appointment it must have been a minimum of 10 minutes. Then I have to take
> a day off work to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it
> MUST be a personal interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London
> then pay £72 for the Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to
> NY actually cost! I can understand this palaver if I had been actually
> convicted of anything but I'm totally innocent and so am really miffed
> about it.
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:50 am
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"tUMA" wrote in message
> On NYE 2000 -2001 i was arrested for entering a nightlcub with an ecstacy
> pill. do you think this will effect me getting a visa in the next 5 years
as
> im thinking about immagrating to us. after 10 years will this be wipped of
> my crimnal record?
What do you want live there for anyway?! >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:23 am
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"tUMA" wrote in message
> On NYE 2000 -2001 i was arrested for entering a nightlcub with an ecstacy
> pill. do you think this will effect me getting a visa in the next 5 years
> as im thinking about immagrating to us. after 10 years will this be wipped
> of my crimnal record?
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Don't know about it affecting your visa application but as far as the US are
concerned, it won't be wiped off your criminal record >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:06 pm
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:50:09 GMT, "Matthew Maddock"
wrote:
>> On NYE 2000 -2001 i was arrested for entering a nightlcub with an ecstacy
>> pill. do you think this will effect me getting a visa in the next 5 years
>as
>> im thinking about immagrating to us. after 10 years will this be wipped of
>> my crimnal record?
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>What do you want live there for anyway?!
>
If he goes into nightclubs in this country he's obviously a masochist.
USofA is just the sort of shithole country that would appeal to him.
He probably can't wait to get roughed up and anally probed by those
immigration officers. Then there are all those paranoid cops with sink
plungers. >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:49 pm
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:41:45 GMT, "tUMA"
wrote:
>On NYE 2000 -2001 i was arrested for entering a nightlcub with an ecstacy
>pill. do you think this will effect me getting a visa in the next 5 years as
>im thinking about immagrating to us. after 10 years will this be wipped of
>my crimnal record?
I fink u haff 2 no Inglish to immigrate to the US. >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:02 pm
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"Alan G" wrote in message
> He probably can't wait to get roughed up and anally probed by those
> immigration officers. Then there are all those paranoid cops with sink
> plungers.
Daleks?
"Re-pat-ri-ate! Re-pat-ri-ate! Re-pat-ri-ate!"
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:32 am
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"Sam" wrote in message
> the flights to NY actually cost!.....
> >
> > If this is a purely business trip then surely your employer will
reimburse
> the
> > costs of obtaining the required visa.
>
> And if you are travelling to the US for the purpose of conducting
buisness,
> if you follow the rules, surely you need a visa?
>
I have worked for three companies that have required me to go the United
States for business meetings. All of those entrances to the US were done
under visa waiver. >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:02 pm
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"Harry The Horse" wrote in message
> I have worked for three companies that have required me to go the United
> States for business meetings. All of those entrances to the US were done
> under visa waiver.
Were they really meetings or is that just what you were advised to tell the
immigration officers?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:18 pm
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"Farmer Alfalfa" wrote in message
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> > I have worked for three companies that have required me to go the United
> > States for business meetings. All of those entrances to the US were
done
> > under visa waiver.
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> Were they really meetings or is that just what you were advised to tell
the
> immigration officers?
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I wasn't advised to tell the immigration officers anything. I simply
described onestly what I was in coming in for. If they didn't like the
answer then it was my company's problem & I had a number for the HR
Department in San Francisco for them to call. My attitude was that I'd have
sooner been at home with my family. >> Stay informed about: update on visa reqts US |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:39 pm
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"Harry The Horse" wrote in message
> I wasn't advised to tell the immigration officers anything. I simply
> described onestly what I was in coming in for. If they didn't like the
> answer then it was my company's problem & I had a number for the HR
> Department in San Francisco for them to call. My attitude was that I'd
have
> sooner been at home with my family.
Just wondered.
I was sent over some years back to do some programming work for my
employer's parent company.
I was advised to answer the question "What is the purpose of your visit?"
with "Business Meetings" because a colleague had previously answered
truthfully and been detained for 5 hours.
I realised why I had been given that advice when my first encounter with
immigration yielded the following exchange:-
"What sort of business are you in?"
"Software"
"Buying or selling?"
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